UPDATE
I just got a photo of Stu Singer from Jana Pellusch, a comrade from years ago in the Houston branch and now on Facebook, with this introduction. You can now judge whether he looks like Herb Terrace or not!:
Hi Louis, I read your piece about Stu. Attached is what I consider to be a great photo of him. This is in front of one of the 3 branches in Houston at the time, I think it was called the South Park branch, located in a strip mall along South Park Ave. that was later called MLK. Anyways it was in the southeast part of Houston and I was assigned to that branch. On this particular day in 1977, probably a Saturday morning, I had just bought a Minolta SLR camera and took it down to the hdqts. Stu was there and he was interested in it. He asked me if he could take some shots and I said something about not wanting to waste film. He told me I should not look at taking pictures in that way, that it was necessary to take many shots of something in order to get just the right one. I let him get away with taking a couple, then I took this one of him. Did not know how to send it to your blog so here it is. Regards, Jana Pallusch

On June 18 the Militant newspaper announced that Stu Singer had died of cancer at the age of 65 after battling the disease for 2 years. My first reaction was to wonder what kind of cancer he had. I had the same question about Alexander Cockburn who succumbed to the disease also after a 2-year battle. When you get to be my age, you tend to have a morbid curiosity about the disease since you know that you become increasingly vulnerable the older you get. For the most part it is a geriatric illness that you hope to avoid for the simple reason that the cure—such as it is—is worse than the disease.
I tried in vain to locate a picture of Stu but as so often the case with people with long-standing ties to the SWP (he was a member for 40 years and then a supporter for another 5 years), there is little to go by. These are not people likely to start a blog or a Facebook page, where a photo might crop up. You are more likely to find a photo for ex-members like me whose political life opened up after they broke from the SWP.
In his memoir “Outsider Reverie”, Les Evans describes Stu as an Alan Arkin look-alike. That didn’t sound right to me. Instead Stu always had a “separated at birth” resemblance to Herb Terrace, the cognitive psychologist at Columbia University who conducted experiments with the chimpanzee Nim Chimsky (a pun on Noam Chomsky who like Terrace considered language to be unique to homo sapiens.) Here’s Terrace and Nim Chimsky:

Trust me. That’s exactly what Stu looked like. Also, by the way, Nim Chimsky bears more than a passing resemblance to Steve Clark, third in command of the SWP. The other thing worth pointing out is that the smirk on Terrace’s face could often be seen on Stu’s as well–a real cat that ate the canary look.
I more or less expected the Militant to do the same thing with Stu as they have done with other obituaries, namely to use a cookie-cutter approach that strips the deceased of all their individuality and turns them into a kind of automaton carrying out the turn to industry.
Perhaps there was an unconscious allusion to this in the quote from the party’s great helmsman:
Forging a communist party in the U.S., Barnes wrote, “involves surmounting some extra hurdles. It runs up against the petty bourgeois tradition of American ‘individualism’—a by-product of the long duration of the Westward-shifting frontier and access to free land. It’s even reflected in literature, such as the restless, questing, chasing-and-doing Huck Finn. …
Oddly enough the article referred to a tiny bit of the Huck Finn that most rebellious young people, including Stu, embodied.
Barnes quoted from a message by Jeff Powers, a friend of Singer who joined the SWP in Boston around the same time in the mid-1960s. Powers recalled that Singer once found both of them a job—one they thought at the time was “a perfect gig. Not much work and a company vehicle that served as a delivery truck for leaflets, buttons and posters for the Boston Peace Action Coalition throughout the area, with the gas included.”
Since I knew Jeff Powers well some 40 years ago when he, Stu and I were all in the Boston branch, this reminded me of what we were all like back then. The antiwar movement consumed us and everything we did was geared to making it a success. My only regret is that there was nothing else like this in the entire article. Stu, like Gus Horowitz, Peter Camejo and Barry Sheppard, was an MIT student. I wondered what his major was. In fact anything of a personal nature would have been greatly interesting to me since I barely knew Stu even though we spent 3 years in the Boston branch together and then another year or so in Houston.
One of the few ex-SWP’ers I have remained friends with over the years told me that he had few insights into Stu even after spending a lot of time orienting him to the Houston branch when Stu was about to assume branch organizer responsibilities. My friend told me that Stu never made small talk. As far as I was concerned, Stu never spoke at all. Compared to him, Harpo Marx was loquacious.
Les Evans’s portrait of Stu Singer is quite unflattering in keeping with his alienation from all SWP’ers outside of the old-time leadership embodied most of all by Joe Hansen. In his chapter on the Iron Range of Minnesota, he describes Stu as an ascetic cut off from the world like a character in a 19th century Russian novel set in the revolutionary underground. His bed was a mattress resting on a door resting in turn on jetsam salvaged from the mines. Les says that Stu offered him a pick of the females in the tiny branch as if he was a tribal chieftain in 15th century Asia Minor. I found this hard to believe since whatever flaws Stu had, I had never heard about such rank sexism. Since most of the woman in the Boston branch had become very tough feminists when Stu and I were up there, word would have gotten out about such behavior. Trust me.
When I came up to Boston in 1970, the branch was divided into three groups. The first was hard-core supporters of Larry Trainor who thought the youth radicalization was a diversion from more important work in the trade unions. In other words, he was a premature Barnesite. On the other side were Peter Camejo, me, David Wulp and a bunch of other transfers in. Wulp, a Carleton graduate, would eventually replace Camejo as branch organizer. Trainor referred to us derisively as “hand-raisers” and he was totally correct. The group in the middle included Stu, Jeff Powers, and about 10 others who were recruited by Larry Trainor and thought the world of him. However, they were impressed with Camejo’s ability to take on SDS and build the antiwar movement, as well as his ability to defend the party’s orientation to the youth movement. By 1971, all of them had become Camejo supporters.
I moved to Houston in 1973 to help strengthen the faction that opposed the Ernest Mandel guerrilla warfare orientation in the Fourth International. Although I was immersed in the political struggle, I became increasingly disaffected from branch life and skeptical about a socialist revolution anytime soon in the USA. Living in Houston would tend to engender such feelings.
Somewhere along the line, after Stu had become organizer, there was an announcement about a “social” at Dan Fein’s house, where these dismal affairs often took place. I told someone that I would take a pass on the social since they consisted of comrades talking shop, like how many Militant subs had been sold, etc. I would prefer to stay at home and listen to my stereo. The next day Stu called me into his office and gave me a lecture about saying such things since they “didn’t help to build the movement” or something along those lines. I walked out feeling dismayed and began to think for the first time after 6 years of membership[ about dropping out. My mistake was not to follow through.
So I have to say that I know about as much about Stu Singer now as I did when we were rubbing shoulders over a four year period. But I do know a lot more about the sad state of the SWP as reflected in the grotesque tribute paid to him. While I have gotten used to the battiness in the pages of the Militant, the obituary soars to dizzying heights.
The article states that Stu spent six months in 1982 in upstate New York at a session of the party’s leadership school.
“As we prepared to jump into following the line of march of the early modern working-class movement, as it affected, transformed and was recounted by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels,” Barnes wrote, Singer was asked to organize an introductory class on an outline by SWP leader Farrell Dobbs of his series Revolutionary Continuity: Marxist Leadership in the United States. Dobbs completed the first two volumes before he died in 1983.
In preparing the discussion, Barnes said, “Stu did what we had come to count on from him—a thorough, workmanlike job.”
In the section Singer was asked to focus on, Barnes wrote, Dobbs explained that in addition to turning its back on the social-patriotic Socialist Party leadership in the U.S., who backed Washington’s imperialist military efforts in World War I, the young Communist Party also had to break from revolutionary-minded left socialists such as Eugene Debs and from “the individualist, self-serving radicalism” of the Industrial Workers of the World—the Wobblies—and leaders such as Vincent St. John.
A thorough, workmanlike job? For Christ’s sake, why bother? Such damning with faint praise is an insult to Stu’s memory. Furthermore, where did Dobbs get the idea that the IWW was “individualist”? What a disgusting commentary on an organization that Lenin invited to join the Communist International. Who had the more impressive record in leading militant struggles of the working class? The IWW or the bizarre cult around Jack Barnes whose idea of involvement in the trade union movement is selling the collected speeches of the great helmsman to bemused workers?
This business about individualism in Huck Finn or the IWW is really a hoot. What better way to end this article than to repeat the words of a member of a Facebook group of ex-SWP’ers:
So, you’re on a raft going down the Mississippi with Huck Finn, Jack Barnes, Gene Debs and Vincent St. John but the raft is sinking and someone has to go overboard. Tough choice?
I burst out laughing at that last joke. thanks for this.
Comment by Nathan Tankus — August 9, 2012 @ 1:51 am
I don’t have Dobbs’s book in front of me so I don’t know if that’s what he actually said about the IWW. It may be Jacko is just rendering him “more profound.” I Never cared for Stu personally but I’ll say one thing for him: As hard as he may have been on others, he worked himself harder, unlike Jack Barnes, who can barely rouse himself from bed to get to the party headquarters on time. And I could never imagine him living in a $1.8 million condo, as did Barnes up until a few years ago.
Comment by David Altman — August 9, 2012 @ 2:09 am
Stu was a great comrade, always relaxed and calm and centered about his work, most of which involved guiding other younger comrades like myself on large projects. There is a photo of him as a raw and exuberant youth in Volume 1 of Sheppard’s book.
I spent a few weeks with him two decades ago when he lead a team I was on at the leadership school in upstate NY. I’m sure I caused more work for him than he anticipated, but he was always patient and comradely. He was a passionate coffee drinker, and we always had two Buns running throughout the day. He loved Dunkin Donuts, too.
He organized the PC secretariat for some time, and the Militant was always full of his photographs.
His most famous photo was the snapshot of Mark Curtis after his release from jail, swollen and bruised from a beating by the Des Moines cops. He organized the Mark Curtis defense work there for many years. When he had an assignment, you knew the party took it seriously.
Jay
Comment by Jay Rothermel — August 9, 2012 @ 5:01 am
Always thought it was weird that folks in the SWP, at least during that brief period of time I was a member, didn’t get married and have families. I guess to proletarianize doesn’t include all the trimmings, and therein lies the distinction between “industrialize” and “proletarianize.” The former being robotic and lacking emotion. Being so removed from other people like that is more like a psychological condition rather than a political category. Barnes’ eulogy clearly indicates how this rigid adherence to creating nonentities is a necessary process, indeed something aspired towards, in his off kilter notion of party building.
Comment by Hugh B. — August 9, 2012 @ 5:57 am
JR,
Mark Curtis doesn’t exist for the SWP now. Never happened.
Comment by purple — August 9, 2012 @ 6:20 am
The party spends zero time discussing former members. And rightly so.
Still, they have this book available for sale in three languages:
http://www.pathfinderpress.com/s.nl/it.A/id.657/.f
so he is hardly an un-person.
Comment by Jay Rothermel — August 9, 2012 @ 6:55 am
@J.R.: “. . The story of the victorious eight-year battle to defeat the political frame-up of Mark Curtis, a union activist and socialist sentenced in 1988 to twenty-five years in prison on trumped up charges of attemped rape and burglary. The pamphlet describes what happened to Curtis on the day of his arrest, the fight he was a part of to defend immigrant rights, and the international campaign that finally won his freedom in 1996. . .” This description encapsulates rather well the Alice-in-Wonderland mindset of today’s SWP, since 1) Curtis served eight years despite the “victorious” struggle to free him and 2) Just about everybody apart from the SWP thinks he was guilty anyway. Oh, and the reason Curtis is an “ex” member of the SWP? He was expelled after being arrested for soliciting a prostitute:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/swp_usa/message/2729
Comment by David Altman — August 9, 2012 @ 12:27 pm
Stu recruited me to the YSA during the May 1970 nationwide student strike. In quick succession we brought in Ernie Mailhot, Mark Severs, Linda Malanchuk-Finnan and a slew of contacts. Stu would never have won me over without the most intense intellectual and moral conviction. He had to take on our regnant guru, a maoist sociology professor who was loosely connected to PL-SDS. My most salient memory was an interminable battle to the death debate in a college hallway over the Russian Revolution and the Bolsheviks orientation to the peasantry. Stu went tit-for-tat with a very voluble and articulate professor for about 90 minutes. What struck me– an overly serious philosophy student– was how different from standard point-scoring academic debate that this was to Stu. It was a vital and still burning issue of the day (it seemed hardly relevant to me). So that’s the word– “burning.” Stu had that quality. No he didn’t talk about his feelings but when he addressed a mass gathering of students he opened with, “Brothers and Sisters.” He continued to refer to the Kent State martyrs in the same terms. When he looked me in the eye there was always the most penetrating appeal to my inner sense of solidarity and obligation to the struggle. Stu may have lacked Camejo’s flair but they worked like a tag-team. Together they gave me a totally visceral sense of what it meant to be a bolshevik. So I both recognize Stu as the “ascetic” devotee others recall, and yet, do not. The final tragedy was the waste of Stu’s gifts, passion and intelligence by the Barnesites.
But having been still close to him during the ’71 faction fight, I was sickened as I watched him drink the coolaid and turn into a hand raising apparatchik. Well, the Owl of Minerva really does fly only at dusk. RIP, comrade Stu.
RM
Comment by bob montgomery — August 9, 2012 @ 2:25 pm
Before trial, a register of victory would have been acquittal. After conviction, a register of victory was that Curtis would remain politically active, whether in prison or not.
Rumors and hearsay from an explicitly anti-party Yahoo gossip group concerning Curtis’ post-release life hardly seem credible.
Comment by Jay Rothermel — August 9, 2012 @ 3:50 pm
I’m not sure what the objection is to Singer’s assessment of the IWW, both the heroic aspects of this great, early precursor to American communism and the flaws contained within, nor the subsequent reporting of this assessment by the National Secretary in the Singer obit. The tendency on it’s part not to act in the most disciplined fashion was commented on not only by Dobbs and Cannon (the latter who mentioned “The Saint” and Big Bill Haywood by name in this regard), but also by Trotsky, Charles Ruthernberg and William Foster, among others. In addition, the inadequacies of the IWW in particular, and anarcho-syndicalism in general, was much discussed by Lenin and the early Communist International. There is really nothing new, or controversial, about what was said in the obit, in my opinion. Now, it may be that in light of the past forty some years comrades may have begun to reassess that analysis, but there is no doubt that this was what was being propagated when I joined in 1974.
And it’s not true that Curtis is never discussed by the SWP or the Militant. It was, for example, a significant part of the Maceo Dixon obit published earlier in the summer. I will only add that Curtis was framed, tortured in his jail cell and convicted not primarily because he was a member of the party (the evidence is good that the exploiters never knew about this, at least initially), but rather because he was an activist working on behalf of area meat-packers and their union, and was able to discuss their just cause in Spanish — at large, and growing demonstrations — which really sent the bosses and their government into a King-Hell. hissy-fit.
Finally, in response to the comment by Hugh. When I joined the party branch in Boston in 1978, very few members were married, but then again, we were almost all in our twenties and very early thirties. Only the older comrades — and by “older” I mean those in their forties, fifties and sixties, were married. In the mid-eighties, when we were, by and large, a little older, about half of the branch membership was married, including me. There were also a lot of babies during these years. By the time I resigned in 1998, when we were older still, in the Morgantown branch, ten out of eleven of the branch members were married. I shit you not. Not that it really matters.
Comment by Dave R. — August 9, 2012 @ 7:37 pm
There is really nothing new, or controversial, about what was said in the obit, in my opinion.
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What is controversial is using the death of an old-timer to write a bunch of bullshit. What is the point of badmouthing the IWW on the occasion of someone’s death by cancer? I guess having a tin ear is something to be expected from the leader of a group that has gone from 2000 to just over a hundred. The FBI could not have done a better job of trashing a group that while never capable of leading a revolution could have at least made a difference in fighting against the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, or serious trade union fights like UPS.
Comment by louisproyect — August 9, 2012 @ 8:11 pm
Because today the discussion of anarchism and anarcho-syndicalism looms larger that it did during our prime. It’s the same reason that the Communist Party was frequently dissed at memorial meetings of old-timers in previous decades, as they were, at at time, a central part of the debate about which way forward.
By the way, everyone over the age of 70 pretty much dies of cancer – or heart disease – or pneumonia secondary to broken hips and femurs. Maladies like MS, Lou Gehrig’s diseaswe, Lupus and what-not generally present earlier than this.
Comment by Dave R. — August 9, 2012 @ 8:37 pm
Because today the discussion of anarchism and anarcho-syndicalism looms larger that it did during our prime.
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Actually the tributes to dead SWP’ers has never been used to score polemical points. I keep track of these tributes because many of the people who die are people I knew, like Bob Vernon. At any rate, go ahead and believe whatever the fuck you want, Rowlands. As somebody who has the same attitude toward the SWP that a member of the Lubavitcher sect has to the late Rabbi Schneerson, you cannot be budged from your faith so why should I bother.
Comment by louisproyect — August 9, 2012 @ 8:49 pm
Although it goes without saying that the IWW were fighters, while the Communist Party, at least it’s leadership, were betrayers, which I suspect was made clear at the memorial meeting under discussion.
Comment by Dave R. — August 9, 2012 @ 8:50 pm
“Actually the tributes to dead SWP’ers has never been used to score polemical points.”
Not at the ones I attended. Hansen, Novack, the Cahallan brothers, Kirsch, Starsky…. There was always discussion of the political milieu these comrades were immersed in, most notably the social-democracy, the trade union bureaucracy and Stalinism.
Comment by Dave R. — August 9, 2012 @ 8:55 pm
At any rate, go ahead and believe whatever the fuck you want, Rowlands.
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Amazing how angry people get, and how much time they spend, on issues and organizations they keep telling us are defunct and irrelevant. Much more important is the vanguard role of sharpening the pencils of Mrs. Harvey Pekar.
All that I can say to Dave Rowlands is: I grasp your hand warmly.
Comment by Jay Rothermel — August 9, 2012 @ 9:05 pm
Of course I get angry. I was persuaded by Susan Lamont in 1978 to keep my resignation a secret from the Kansas City membership. The branch organizer lied to them, saying that I had transferred back to NYC. When I arrived back in NYC, I called the city office and spoke to the ultra-creepy Joel Britton. I told him that it was okay to drop me from the membership rolls. Since I planned to begin smoking pot again, I didn’t want to jeopardize the security of the party. Britton told me that as far as he was concerned, I was no longer a member. In other words, I had become an unperson. Do you think the CPUSA ever did anything this outrageous? Someone who is a member for 11 years and their resignation is kept secret from the other members? Whatever happened to Louis Proyect who gave $50,000 to the party over the years and sold 10,000 Militants? Dunno…
What a bunch of fucking degenerates were running the SWP. They make the characters in Costa-Gravas’s “Confession” look like Lenin and Trotsky by comparison.
Comment by louisproyect — August 9, 2012 @ 9:16 pm
Amazing the number of SWP critics who, because they were once members, think a black-bordered box should appear in the corner of an issue of the Militant saying: “Comrade So-and-So was here, until he quit. He contributed $X and sold Y issues of the Militant. Now he hates us and tells anyone who will listen that we are led by criminals. But we remember him.”
An “un-person”? Get hold of yourself, man! I quit the party two decades ago, and never thought they should check in with me for a chat just because of Auld Lang Syne.
Did the CPUSA ever do anything as creepy? Today they posted an article about Hiroshima/Nagasaki that neglected to mention their flag waving support of that event at the time. They check up on their members because their chief job today is overseeing the real estate bequeathed to them by the expired. They tried to throw SWP comrades overboard in the maritime unions. So yes, I would say they did things that were more outrageous than Joel Britton failing to be pleasant on the phone.
Comment by Jay Rothermel — August 9, 2012 @ 9:27 pm
Rothermel, when the branch organizer told the membership that I was transferring back to NYC, she was lying to them. Socialists do not lie to each other. They will sometimes lie in a complicated situation in a hostile environment, like a trade union run by violent bureaucrats. Maybe you don’t think that it is a bad thing to lie to party members but then again I don’t think you were ever in the SWP when such a thing would be considered a breach of party norms.
Comment by louisproyect — August 9, 2012 @ 9:31 pm
Matters involving personal are often handled inappropriately in a small socialist grouping leading a semi-sectarian existence such as the SWP. And if what happened to you really happened, and I have no reason to believe it didn’t, then that would serve as a good example of how not to do things. And I’ll add another: the unnecessarily harsh tone of the Militant’s editor to a reader’s question regarding nuclear power, although I do generally agree with the party’s political assessment concerning Marxism and energy. I’m afraid these episodes are inevitable, being that the party is comprised of mere mortals, and will only be alleviated with the progression of the class struggle and a much larger movement, and even then they will still continue to happen, but surely mitigated. But the party is organized, it has a good program and it maintains a propagandist base to keep alive the traditions and lessons of revolutionary socialism. In any event, that’s what I focus on. With the exception of the ISO and Haymarket Books (which I might add also carries openly counter-revolutionary works in regards to Cuba), who else is doing so?
Comment by Dave R. — August 9, 2012 @ 9:36 pm
Proyect, considering the rumors, hearsay and gossip you have spread against the SWP for so long [because they treated you - it is now revealed - like an "un-person"], I decline to take your word it it. In my time in the SWP, I never saw dishonestly, and was never instructed to be dishonest.
I was also never told to become, after resigning, a full-time character-assassin and gossip-monger, either, of course. Amazing how your own conduct so closely reflects the traits you say you saw and despised while in the SWP.
Comment by Jay Rothermel — August 9, 2012 @ 9:38 pm
@Jay. Not only did they try to throw SWP members overboard, but in at least one case, they succeeded. But your point is well taken.
Comment by Dave R. — August 9, 2012 @ 9:39 pm
I decline to take your word it it. In my time in the SWP.
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I don’t give a flying fuck whether you take my word for it or not. I have all sorts of nasty personality defects but lying is not one of them.
Comment by louisproyect — August 9, 2012 @ 9:43 pm
I don’t give a flying fuck whether you take my word for it or not. I have all sorts of nasty personality defects but lying is not one of them.
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Charming – and unrepentantly vulgar – to the last.
Your personal vendetta against the SWP – and all the gossip, hearsay, innuendo, and websites you marshal in that effort – is [by your own admission in comment 17 above] the result of hurt feelings that your party contributions were not – to you – properly acknowledged, and that you feel you were treated as a “un-person.” What’s it been, nearly 40 years? I look forward to the comic book version.
Comment by Jay Rothermel — August 9, 2012 @ 9:53 pm
Rothermel, I am not opposed to being “slighted”. I am opposed to lying. I can’t imagine how I would have reacted to Susan Lamont if I had been Kansas City organizer and she said something like this to me: “Sandi, we have to persuade Louis to keep his resignation a secret. The members will feel demoralized if an old-timer like him quits because he couldn’t make the turn”. My reaction would have been to say that lying to the party membership is a violation of our norms. You don’t get up and tell a branch that someone is transferring back to NYC when they have resigned. The membership is entitled to know when someone resigns.
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I should add that party members were always interested to hear about someone’s resignation because it is essentially a political matter. For example, when some gay members quit in NYC because of the SWP’s failure to build the gay movement, it would have been a huge mistake to keep their resignations a secret. Sweeping things under the rug is not what we expect in a proletarian party. It is far more typical of corrupt trade unions and smoke-filled rooms of the bourgeois parties.
Comment by louisproyect — August 9, 2012 @ 10:08 pm
Letters of resignation were always presented in the internal Organizer bulletins when they had a political and not personal or private content. I read a number of them, as we all did.
I have also attended branch meetings when letters of resignation, often of a very personal nature, were quite correctly read aloud.
The point here is that all the comments of Louis Proyect, including his charges of dishonesty against particular party members and leaders, and of criminal activity against the party leadership, are the political context of any statement he now makes.
A long career of gossip, innuendo and rumor-mongering when it comes to the SWP is the context in which any charges or criticism Proyect makes about the party must be viewed. The fact that he even attempted to turn this into a money-making operation via a memoir in collaboration with a very marketable counter-culture comic book writer is also part of this context.
Give Proyect the benefit of the doubt? Given these facts, “include me out.”
Comment by Jay Rothermel — August 9, 2012 @ 10:26 pm
Rothermel: I have also attended branch meetings when letters of resignation, often of a very personal nature, were quite correctly read aloud.
Me: Well, of course, that is the norm. It is not the norm to lie to members that someone was transferring to another branch when they had in fact resigned.
Rothermel: The point here is that all the comments of Louis Proyect, including his charges of dishonesty against particular party members and leaders, and of criminal activity against the party leadership, are the political context of any statement he now makes.
Me: Would you remind me of when I accused Jack Barnes or Mary Alice Waters of “criminal activity”? I think it is disgusting for them to live in a 2000 square foot loft in a pricey West Village neighborhood but the last time I checked this is not illegal.
Rothermel: The fact that he even attempted to turn this into a money-making operation via a memoir…
Me: What a fucking dick you are. The book, which in all likelihood will never come out, was to come out in Harvey Pekar’s name, not mine. When he asked me if I was interested in co-authorship credits, I told him no thanks. I was only interested in getting my story out. I have no need of money. My wife makes good money as an economics professor and I did as a computer programmer.
Comment by louisproyect — August 9, 2012 @ 10:34 pm
Proyect, your self-righteous career of gossip and rumor based upon hurt feelings and the supposed dishonestly of Comrade Lamont and the rudeness of Joel Britton is the most revealing thing about your blogging career. You have risen to notoriety in a very unwholesome echo-chamber of SWP critics maddened by the fact that the party they hate never acknowledges them. If you never accused the SWP leadership of financial malfeasance, I take back the accusation; but the fact that you provide platforms where these kinds of accusations are discussed on Yahoo reflects just as badly upon you.
On the bright side, I am pleased you are so well provided-for financially. But I am sorry that you have begun your post-retirement by accusing those who disagree with you on Syria of being mentally ill and wearing aluminum foil on their heads. Dragging your anti-SWP modus operandi into the broader stream of Marxmail debates/discussions about today’s life and death questions is not a good career move.
You accuse the SWP of using Stu Singer’s death for their own purposes in the Militant obituary. But you use every memorial for a dead SWPer covered by the Militant for a far more unwholesome vendetta born out of hurts and insults [as you see them ] suffered nearly four decades ago.
Comment by Jay Rothermel — August 9, 2012 @ 10:57 pm
What’s dishonest is the innuendo that the National Secretary of the SWP lived the life of luxury in a pricey condo (decorated with book-shelves made of boards and bricks) when everyone knows he had nothing to do with the place, I’m guessing, for the past thirty-five years or so, that the property was likely purchased in the early 70′s, or even the late 1960′s, for use by the resident leadership when the neighborhood was a combat zone and that the proceeds from the sale were no doubt made available to the party as a whole. Same goes for the innuendo that certain party members were taking “finders fees” from the sale of the Pathfinder building thirteen years ago in an effort to enrich themselves when everyone knows that “Finders Fees” is synonymous with the words (legal) “Tax Strategy”. This has all been explained before in much more detail than has been mustered by me, including by those who are decidedly hostile to the SWP.
Comment by Dave R. — August 9, 2012 @ 10:57 pm
Glad to see Louis enjoying retirement!
Comment by Brian Gallagher — August 9, 2012 @ 11:12 pm
when the neighborhood was a combat zone and that the proceeds from the sale were no doubt made available to the party as a whole.
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This is absurd. The West Village was not a “combat zone”. It was a gentrifying neighborhood that is now one of the fanciest downtown. Jack and Mary-Alice probably paid $500,000 for it and then sold it for close to $2 million. James P. Cannon never would have lived in a 2000 foot loft. He lived modestly, like a worker. Just read part 2 of Barry’s memoir and you will see how Jack began to change his life-style, using his position to eat out at pricey restaurants, etc. And all this while expecting SWP members in shitty low-paying jobs to send in “blood money”. I guess someone has to foot the bill for his Oysters Rockefeller.
Comment by louisproyect — August 9, 2012 @ 11:13 pm
@Dave R: “. . .everyone knows he had nothing to do with the place, I’m guessing, for the past thirty-five years or so, that the property was likely purchased in the early 70′s, or even the late 1960′s, for use by the resident leadership when the neighborhood was a combat zone and that the proceeds from the sale were no doubt made available to the party as a whole. . .” Do you know all this for a fact, Dave? Or are you just engaging in a little pro bono hackery on Jacko’s behalf?
Comment by David Altman — August 10, 2012 @ 1:32 am
Strange how the attacks by Proyect and his Yahoo Corner always revolve around real estate, which is perhaps a concern of their milieu and age group.
Proyect of course cannot provide the documentation that Barnes and Waters acted on their own behalf and for their own profit with their own money, or worse: with the party’s money. Does he have their cancelled checks, or the condo deeds showing they made the purchase themselves? Or that they personally pocketed the sale price?
Neither he or his ilk do, yet they gloat and lick their chops over the matter year in and year out in a way that cannot help but be publicly embarrassing to the serious anti-Barnes anti-SWP critics who suffer the ignominy of having their arguments associated with his broad brush of rumor, profanity, gossip, and hurt feelings.
What does it say about a man of Proyect’s obvious gifts that he spends his time rehearsing decades’-old personal grievances irrelevant to all but a small number of Yahooers? That his real passion only emerges when it comes to character assassination and an almost pornographic preoccupation with the money, person lives and status of those like Barnes and Waters who, if they ever thought about him, only shrugged before going on about their work?
The defeats and retreats of labor have nearly finished-off organizations like the SWP. Yet these defeats and retreats also have their reflection in the minds of cadre and former cadre like Proyect: the unwholesome turning-inward; the love of airless and mind-numbing innuendo that borders on and is similar to the senility of senior citizens who repeat the same anecdotes of younger days over and over.
Comment by Jay Rothermel — August 10, 2012 @ 2:54 am
Proyect of course cannot provide the documentation that Barnes and Waters acted on their own behalf and for their own profit with their own money, or worse: with the party’s money.
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I am not interested in whether they profited or not. I am interested in the life-style they have cultivated. I ran into Jack and Mary-Alice at the Metropolitan Opera about a year after I quit. They were sitting in $100 seats. These two live yuppie life-styles. A fucking 2000 foot loft in the West Village. What kind of working class leader lives like that? When I met Ed Shaw back in 1967 when I was applying for membership in the SWP, he told me about the day that JFK was shot. He had come home to Washington Heights and the building was surrounded by cop cars. To this day I remember the fact that he lived in Washington Heights, home to bus drivers, garment workers, cabbies and construction workers. It is not just that the cult leaders live like a couple of yuppie assholes, it is that they shamelessly promote sending in “blood money” from people scraping by in these unskilled jobs that Barnes thinks will give him the inside track on the proletarian revolution. What a fucking worthless jackass. He makes Gerry Healy look good.
Comment by louisproyect — August 10, 2012 @ 3:45 am
Jack Barnes makes Gerry Healy look good because he [Barnes] had tickets to the opera? How did he come by the opera tickets? Proyect has been talking about these opera tickets online at his Yahoo anti-Barnes site since 2006, and the event occurred in the late 1970s? Surely a case of mania worthy of the next edition of the DSM.
As to Barnes being worse than Gerry Healy, I think comrades should note this comment of Proyect very carefully. Anyone promoting the opera ticket/yuppie/West Village loft gossip of Proyect is now saddled with this formulation: “He makes Gerry Healy look good.”
Ernest Tate, physically assaulted by Healy goons in London in the 1970s and hospitalized, might have a different opinion. So might George Novack and Joseph Hansen, who knew Barnes and Healy personally. They spent the last productive phases of their long careers combating Healy’s war against our movement and their reputations. Not even the former Healyites, who have no love for the SWP and Jack Barnes, would stoop to this.
Comment by Jay Rothermel — August 10, 2012 @ 4:29 am
Jay, you were right and I was wrong. Gerry Healy was far more of a monster than Jack Barnes ever was. I would classify Barnes much more as a minor cult figure like Posadas or Bob Avakian, especially since is much more comical than Healy.
Comment by louisproyect — August 10, 2012 @ 1:23 pm
My first introduction to the SWP was about 10 years ago, and I think my objectivity lets me see it for what it is – it is a cult. It really has nothing to do with the left at all. Today it is to the left what a chiropractor is to a heart surgeon. Tariq Ali was on the right track in Redemption, the Barnes of the world are one step away from forming a religion. I think Avakian does more for the left (authors can come to RCP bookstores and hype their books etc.) then Barnes, which is saying something. There is nothing noble in people dropping out of grad school and going to work in a mine so as to sell more Militant subscriptions. It is stupid. These people have wasted their lives. They would be doing more good if they had been bringing food down to Occupy Wall Street or something. You criticize Louis as if this handful of 60 something cult members mean something. They are accomplishing absolutely nothing. Murray Kempton ran into Browder in the 1960s and told Browder the CPUSA was becoming a backwater. “It was always a backwater” said Browder. What does that make Barnes little cult? Lucky for Louis he is not some pathetic man of his age miserably working at some shit job and dealing with the cult lies and backstabs and kissing up and brownnosing to Barnes, Waters etc. He wised up and got out and good for him. Him, Camejo etc. and these ex-SWPers have done more than the entire SWP has done since then.
Comment by Adelson Velsky Landis — August 10, 2012 @ 9:46 pm
Thank-you Adelson for saying all that needs to be said. And for once in my life I find there is nothing I could possibly add. I especially liked the part about the SWP having nothing to do with the “left”.
Comment by Dave R. — August 10, 2012 @ 11:04 pm
Nothing to add – just a question. Is this the same Tariq Ali that endorsed John Kerry for president?
Comment by Dave R. — August 10, 2012 @ 11:10 pm
@Rowland: “. . .everyone knows he had nothing to do with the place, I’m guessing, for the past thirty-five years or so, that the property was likely purchased in the early 70′s, or even the late 1960′s, for use by the resident leadership when the neighborhood was a combat zone and that the proceeds from the sale were no doubt made available to the party as a whole. . .” (Emphasis added)
I repeat my earlier challenge, Dave. Do you have anything to back up the statement you made above? We know Jack and Mary-Alice owned the condo. We know they sold it for $1.8 milion or thereabouts. It’s a matter of public record. We also have strong evidence that since selling the place they’ve gone on to reside in (separate) similarly posh abodes, Mary-Alice for one living in a $4000/mo. two-bedroom apartment (complete with concierge service) in Battery Park City while at the same time holding down a place in one of San Francisco’s most desirable neighborhoods.
Do I have any evidence that the two “proletarian leaders” are subsidizing their profligate lifestyles on the backs of the party membership and supporters? No, but it sure is a contrast with the way they expect their minions to live.
Comment by David Altman — August 10, 2012 @ 11:51 pm
I have never understood the antagonism to bettering one’s living situation. Being a Leftist does not require martyrdom, that is Catholic Church gobblety goop. We are not priests and nuns nor should we aspire to be. Engels sat on the Board of Directors of his family’s company for Christ’s sake, I think becoming an engineer , for instance, is acceptable.
Comment by purple — August 11, 2012 @ 12:51 am
I don’t know enough about Barnes to comment on this issue, but I will agree with purple that if Barnes got the money for the first purchase of the condo by working as a professional engineer then it should be no one’s business. The issue here as I understand it is that the money for the first purchase may have come from enthusiastic members who thought they were contributing to the proletarian revolution.
Comment by PatrickSMcNally — August 11, 2012 @ 1:37 am
Never mind the yuppified lifestyle that transmogrified willy nilly over the years to mirror those of trade union bureaucrats– what about some real kooky literature written by Barnes in the early 80′s about not only the Iranian Revolution practically culminating into a workers’ state — but also the sheer madness he wrote in the very early 90′s that East Germany was STILL a workers’ state a couple years after the Berlin Wall fell?
If social science is about successful predictions (Trotsky’s batting average was pretty impressive overall compared to most historical figures in that regard) then Barnes was a freakin’ degenerate alchemist.
But that’s not the worst part of his pitiful legacy.
Fact is not since Stalin himself has the leader of a Bolshevik Party so decimated through calculated & insidious purges so many talented revolutionaries. One can only conclude it was not so much about politics as jealousy & ego.
I was a pretty sharp kid attending the first convention at Oberlin and I met & remembered the names of almost a thousand talented & self-sacrificing professional revolutionaries who were party members from around the nation. As a latch key self-sufficient kid from the streets of Chicago near the Cabrini Green projects I had no siblings so I immersed my mind into studying these characters, and there was nothing like it. I was convinced even at that age we had the organization & talent to change the world.
Within a decade 90% of that thousand were gone, not through the real defeats of the working class & attrition that culminated in Reaganism like the cling-on zombies bring up today, but rather through the back door, underhanded & perfidious machinations of Jack Barnes & his clique of hand raising bootlickers.
That’s right. My late dad (purged in ’75 with a group of a dozen others for suggesting the need of a Proletarian Orientation in the wake of the inevitable political dilution of mass student recruitment that ironically Barnes adopted a few years later but with Draconian madness) once showed me this big (8-1/2 x14) paperback edition of Trotsky’s writings from the late 30′s (undoubtedly published by Pathfinder) that depicted the small black & white pictures, like postage stamps, of the top 100 original Bolsheviks on one single broad page. Underneath their pictures read their names & their fate. Most, like 90%, read: “shot, shot, shot, executed, exiled, shot, shot, imprisoned, shot, shot, shot… etc.”
If Barnes had State power that undoubtedly would have been the fate of those whose charisma made him jealous & whose influence threatened his ego. But since he didn’t have that ultimate power he did the same thing in a legal but dishonest and mentally ill, almost psychopathic context: he backstabbed, undermined & bureaucratically outmaneuvered those who he deemed unfit, and ruined a Bolshevik party as a consequence, with zero remorse.
This is the history that will be written about the American left when it’s all said & done & it’s a goddamned shame.
Comment by Karl Friedrich — August 11, 2012 @ 1:59 am
I should only add to the truism of the “goddamned shame” I just described above that not only is this unfortunate history an unfathomable setback to the working class — arguably worse even than the perfidious machinations of the supremely organized bourgeoisie — but also buttresses the mealy mouthed claims of practically every DSA & liberal oriented University Professor who preaches to his wide eyed students (who are searching for a way to organize humanity out of this obviously doomed profit system) the old cliche that “power corrupts — and absolute power corrupts absolutely” which is their mantra that invariably lays the groundwork for voting Obama in 2012 as the least evil choice, never mind that it means a vote for evil.
Comment by Karl Friedrich — August 11, 2012 @ 2:26 am
“Before trial, a register of victory would have been acquittal. After conviction, a register of victory was that Curtis would remain politically active, whether in prison or not.”
Oh, he’s remained politically active?
Comment by dmkfhq — August 11, 2012 @ 2:27 am
One judges the negative accusations made towards the leadership of the Socialist Workers Party — cut from whole cloth and completely unsubstantiated, in my view — from how one judges the leadership, membership and supporters of the party itself, and from how one judges it’s political activity. This may be a wholly unsatisfying response, but it is the only possible way to proceed, for obvious reasons. You make a judgement on what you have seen, heard, read and done over the years, and then you move on. You make an appraisal of the known facts — and in my case this primarily revolves around what I read in the Militant as I am not a member and not privy to internal discussions and information — and you proceed based on what you have before you, which include past experiences. Is it possible, one must ask, for a party that is deeply involved in support efforts and solidarity for the dozens of fight-backs in factories and plants around the country today, in the fight to defend the Cuban Five, in clinic defense, in the maintenance of one of the most important socialist publishing houses in the world; for a party that maintains a weekly paper and sells it to real human beings by the thousands, that is producing the basic works of Marxism in a growing number of foreign-language editions, such as Farsi and Arabic, Chinese and Indonesian, that is able to write and report on the kind of things that appear in the Militant week after week, be, at the same time be a degenerated cult under the spell of a corrupt leadership, acquiesced to by a corrupt and phony membership. I don’t think so, but that’s just me.
Comment by Dave R. — August 11, 2012 @ 4:02 pm
I don’t think so, but that’s just me.
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Well, of course. You have distinguished yourself by haunting blogs, email lists and facebook with a message to ex-SWP’ers who regard it as a sect and a cult, all the while convincing nobody. Frankly, your behavior strikes me as a bit ill.
Comment by louisproyect — August 11, 2012 @ 4:16 pm
I think we both may be a little ill.
Comment by Dave R. — August 11, 2012 @ 4:25 pm
While I’m here, I might as well ask. This is your blog, so, would you prefer I didn’t participate? Your wish is my command. Please be blunt…you always are.
Comment by Dave R. — August 11, 2012 @ 4:30 pm
CORRECTION re: my comment in post #43 about “the yuppified lifestyle that transmogrified willy nilly over the years to mirror those of trade union bureaucrats.”
This is gross distortion of reality for which I apologize.
Fact is no trade union bureaucrat in American history ever lived in a $1.8 million dollar condo.
With the possible exception of some years in the Teamsters’ leadership — truth is the finances of American Trade Unions were always pretty damned transparent, and 99% of the bureaucrats, at least in the UAW which is the milieu I was raised in, while politically vapid, lived pretty humbly, making on average LESS than an the average assembly line worker and less than HALF of what the skilled trades workers made back in the heights of UAW power.
This truism has probably changed with the vast wage cuts & freezes that have affected industrial workers over the last 30 years, and one could probably argue the ratio of this formula has changed for the worse today — but the point of my correction stands affirmed.
Comment by Karl Friedrich — August 13, 2012 @ 1:20 am
I should just leave well enough alone, but I feel that I have to throw my two cents into one of these discussions once again. I hope you don’t stop commenting Dave, as a young participant (20) in the communist movement, I appreciate your taking the time to defend the SWP from rude gossip and often blatant slander (it might be a waste of time, but its not a total waste of time).
I wish that you would all leave us the hell alone. Your gossip is always childish and inaccurate, and your commentary is almost always bitter and cynical and apolitical. Every speculation you make must be totally baseless, since by and large none of you have had any contact with our movement for decades. One thing comrades in the SWP have little tolerance for is gossip, a lesson I’ve learned over the years through patient explanation. Former members are referenced only ever in consideration of the invaluable contribution those individuals had once made, and scarcely ever with bitterness or disdain. If you think the party is so irrelevant, why bother with the endless bullshit about how many kids people have, or plants, or pets, or whatever useless crap you know nothing about that you decide to fill the world with volumes of commentary about.
Stu Singer was a sort of hero to me, and from him I learned a great deal about the March against Fear and Lowndes County, subjects that till the end made his eyes light up when he talked about them. I think its sinister and hypocritical that your obituary for “the comrade you barely knew” is just another vehicle for you to blast the organization he spent his life building. I think the militant article adequately reflected Stu’s political contributions and character, so readers could learn about the kind of person they may want to emulate.
The commentary about Gene Debs and the Wobblies had not one iota of anything new in it, it was all right out of Cannon. Communists can honor proletarian heroes AND learn lessons from their mistakes can’t they? They were certainly allowed when you all belonged to our movement, but now the same comments are obviously just the brain dead ravings of a zombie cult. Stu was part of a generation that put many of those lessons into practice, lessons about responsibility and discipline that many angry bitter people here have decided to unlearn. Well I’m not gonna lecture you about what I think the right thing to do is, but the endless preaching from the sidelines of politics from you people on the internet makes me really angry. If you’re all right on about what to do than go do it, try and build a party.
For me, the world opened up when I met the movement, and has continued to do so ever since. I’ve learned as much from all the people I’ve met going out into the world as I have from comrades in the party. As Cannon said, its nice to think you have the right ideas, but you gotta bring em out into the world with all those other people in it. I still keep in touch with at least a couple co-workers from every job I’ve ever had.
Now I’m probably immature and foolish (and undisciplined), and not as thick skinned as I thought I was, since I feel compelled at all to answer y’all, but I hope that any open-minded person who reads these exchanges decides to meet the party for themselves and feels free to ask anyone about any bit of gossip they’ve read on the internet. Who knows, you might actually want to join it.
Comment by Anonymous — August 14, 2012 @ 10:04 pm
Anon: You’re right. You should have “just left well enough alone” because you are, as you say in your own words “probably immature and foolish (and undisciplined)” but also all alone insofaras a couple hundred lost souls left from a bygone sectarian workers’ party that was purged down from a base of tens of thousands is hardly a “movement” compared to the seething millions that are fomenting & organizing amidst the culminating groundswell of the real live OWS “movement”, mostly lead by anarchist minded youth who more resemble the tradition of the IWW than anything the SWP is mustering today — or the YSA mustered yesterday.
That’s why Proyect so rightly ridiculed the pernicious & cowardly swipes taken against the IWW by the current SWP leadership during the ruminations about the death of old comrades like Stu that were true soldiers (a.k.a. Iskra Agents) in the professional revolutionary sense of the Bolsheviks.
Res Ipsa Loquitur
Comment by Karl Friedrich — August 15, 2012 @ 1:48 am
Karl Friedrich: Nice slap-down of a 20 year old. That takes real integrity [i.e.: immaturity and foolishness on your part]. I wonder OWS could recruit anyone to their ranks of – you say – ‘seething millions’ if you take that kind of dismissive attitude toward people seeking political discussion and expressing opinions other than your own.
You can honestly say that as to “rudeness, inherited from the past, we have as much as you please.”
Comment by Jay Rothermel — August 15, 2012 @ 2:39 am
Sorry Jaybird but any sentient 20 year old will profoundly appreciate the fact that it’s always better to regret something you did (like joining the moribund dead end that is today’s SWP) rather something you didn’t do (like joining the anarchist youth still fighting & organizing the future on the barricades & blogs of OWS) as there’s nothing like the resiliency of a young human being whose considered old enough to vote & die in an imperialist army adventure but not yet considered old enough to drink responsibly in a bar.
Res Ipsa Loquitur
Comment by Karl Friedrich — August 15, 2012 @ 4:06 am
We disagree profoundly about Occupy Wall Street. I spent a lot of time there, not only in Zucotti Park, but at occupies in the midwest as well. I found them to be almost totally apolitical, embodying all the worst traits of the IWW (disdain for discipline, punctuality etc) without any of the backbone, or zeal for real struggles that was a mark of the wobblies in Cannon’s time. During the heat of Occupy Wall Street, there were major lock out fights taking place in Flat Bush gardens Brooklyn and in Far Rockaway Queens, both amongst building workers and members of 32BJ. I never encountered a single occupier at any of those picket lines or rallies. Nor did I encounter any occupiers at the weekly vigils for Ramarley Graham, a young Jamaican victim of police murder, whose killer has since been prosecuted due in large part to the actions in the community. In fact, I scarcely found any interest among those at occupy in struggles such as these.
To the extent that occupy did join in, like with the fight in Longview at the ports, they did so in an undisciplined and potentially dangerous way. When the Union made clear its position of conduct, numerous anarchists called on people to break ranks and carry out ultra-left actions at the ports that would have surely led to a losing battle with the police and could have gotten people seriously injured. EGT gave in before it ever came to that.
I would also like to add that rather than abstaining from any sort of mass movement, as critics claim the party does, the party and its cadre just recognize the fact that no mass movement of any sort exists today, and that the party doesn’t feel that its time is well spent in fraudulently erecting one out of the ground. Comparisons to the YSA’s work in the ACTUAL MASS MOVEMENT that was the fight against the vietnam war are hopelessly irrelevant. As Jay said, the idea that there is a “left” that is a useful place for communists to spend their time speaks volumes.
But the SWP is the only organization among groups on the “left” that has spent any real time building relationships with fighting workers in the red river valley, in Keokuk, in Metropolis etc, and in linking those fighters up with one another, which you can read about in the pages of the militant. workers in all these places read the militant by the dozens, as the only paper that consistently tells the truth about their fights. They respect and trust the members of the party, and in some cases endorse its campaigns and promote its literature themselves. The SWP and its sister organizations also consistently participate in WFDY, and attend every book fair in Havana and Tehran. The women in the party are in their majority members of NOW and attend its conferences and conventions. You will also find SWP members at as many serious defense efforts of abortion clinics around the country as is possible. Very rarely do I encounter opponent organizations at any of these things (other than the WFDY stalinists, and the RCP with their sectarian romp at the clinics). How else should they spend their time to be a less “moribund and sectarian” organization? (of course your answer is “nothing because they are a weird cult, and everything they do is an extension of their weird cultishness”, not that spending DAYS of your life to gossip with other ex members about a party you left behind decades ago is at all “weird” or “cultish”)
The comments about the IWW are consistent with Cannon, Dobbs, Trotsky and Lenin, were they all pernicious cowards too? None of those comments were “swipes”, they were explanations of the political lessons our movement learned from the mistakes of its precursors, but I’ve already responded to this POLITICALLY, something you chose to ignore in responding to me. In fact, you chose to ignore everything I said except to acknowledge my own foolishness in responding to this stuff at all.
Comment by Anonymous — August 15, 2012 @ 7:28 am
Food for thought. The sales drive totals for the 1966 Militant sub drive. Fortunately for the Vietnamese freedom fighters and others as well, the party ignored the “weird cult” taunts that were prevalent then as well, coming from, like today, many people who support the election of Democrats, and carried on with their business. Although the analogy is not 100%, in many ways we are today in a similar period, in terms of preparation and heat lightning, as was the case in 1965 or 1966. The difference being that today the capitalist class has much less in the way of options to placate wide swaths of the population, and has become super aggressive in the search for profits.
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1DA3ykfvEJX0EnE7agnk5SS6LiUa6cE5w6Pv5vBCChFE/edit
Comment by Dave R. — August 15, 2012 @ 12:38 pm
The political naivete & profound delusion that permeates every sentence of the last 2 posts is sadly indicative of the insanity that masquerades as a viable proletarian party born from the legacy of Leon Trotsky.
Know this. Your party has about as much chance to lead the masses of the future as the probability of the Russian Communist Party reconstituting the USSR.
Until you 2 fucktards come to grips with an honest history of who your so-called leader Jack Barnes really is and the irreparable harm he’s done to the legacy of the 4th International then you will remain as sad & pathetic as the Barnesian notions that Iran circa 1980 & East Germany circa 1990 were degenerated workers’ states.
Comment by Karl Friedrich — August 15, 2012 @ 2:14 pm
Besides using words like “fucktards”, which is not a particularly useful method of discussing differences of opinion, it is hard to debate Karl because one does not know what he is, politically. Are you an anarchist or a Trotskyist? In the past, I seem to remember high words of praise for the Workers World Party (some of which, as a small organization of fighters and activists, is well deserved), but seeing how, in this electoral cycle in particular, they are campaigning for more Democrats than usual, I’m guessing that perhaps I am the victim of a false memory, or partially so. My point was that in 1966 the SWP was a tiny sect, in 1969 they weren’t so tiny. Now I am quite aware that you believe the current make-up of the party precludes a similar situation from happening again, but I don’t. I guess what I am saying is I know what you are against, but I am not so sure what you are for, organizationally speaking, if anything.
Comment by Dave R. — August 15, 2012 @ 2:51 pm
And of course the SWP never referred to Iran, circa 1980, as a “degenerated workers state”. What a whopper! Where did you come up with that?
Comment by Dave R. — August 15, 2012 @ 3:03 pm
My point was that in 1966 the SWP was a tiny sect, in 1969 they weren’t so tiny.
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The SWP branch in NY combined with the YSA local had as many members in 1966 as the entire SWP today. About half were old-timers like Harry Ring and the other half were people under 25 who had joined out of the antiwar, civil rights, antinuclear and free speech movements. The SWP of today is only part of the “trade union movement”, which is really the problem. There is nothing about this movement that is remotely like the movement of the 1930s. Except for something like the Oakland dockworkers, the politics are almost absent and when present tightly linked to the DP. Interestingly enough the dockworkers were very involved with the Occupy movement, just to give you an idea of how disconnected the SWP was from the class struggle as it really exists today as opposed to Jack Barnes’s addled fantasies.
Comment by louisproyect — August 15, 2012 @ 3:13 pm
I would also like to add that rather than abstaining from any sort of mass movement, as critics claim the party does, the party and its cadre just recognize the fact that no mass movement of any sort exists today, and that the party doesn’t feel that its time is well spent in fraudulently erecting one out of the ground.
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Odd that the Militant newspaper never says anything like this. From reading it you would think that it was 1935.
Comment by louisproyect — August 15, 2012 @ 4:15 pm
You were there, so I’m sure you are correct. If my memory of party history serves me well, I would say there were about 250 members in 1966. Am I in the right ball-park? In any event, they were able to sell, in 1966, 1500 subs nationwide, which is a rather small number even by current standards. The class struggle is the name of the game and by 1969 you guys were selling anywhere between 25,000-50,000 subs per drive, which continued into the 1970′s. And although this is not the 1930′s (nor the late 1960′s or early 1970s), this isn’t the 1980′s or 1990′s either, due to the position of capitalism and the subsequent uptick in struggle. I’m estimating the party cadre sold 6,500 subs in 2011, a notable increase over the past twenty years, but by saying so I am not trying to convince you of something you do not believe, nor am I trying to change your mind. I’m just pointing out that there is a change, however modest, in the receptiveness to a socialist newspaper, 99.9 percent of new subscribers who have absolutely no knowledge of the somewhat demented swashbucklers between you and I and other former members of the party.
Comment by Dave R. — August 15, 2012 @ 4:16 pm
And it is my impression, from the tone and reportage of the Militant in the past six months, that the SWP is turning more towards outbreaks in manifestations of social protest in the broader layers of the population, while at the same time maintaining a central orientation towards the factories. After all, the two are not separated from one another and do, in fact, go hand in hand.
Comment by Dave R. — August 15, 2012 @ 4:24 pm
In regards to my comment #63, I was struck by this headline (and article) in the Militant.
http://www.themilitant.com/2012/7630/763001.html
Comment by Dave R. — August 15, 2012 @ 4:50 pm
I speak for myself and nobody else at the moment, and my views about the occupy movement, which I participated in enthusiastically at one time, are mine and mine alone. My point was that I think the role played by some Occupy activists in the fight at the docks was dangerous and irresponsible, because they refused to look at things as they were and refused to submit to the discipline of the union in leading the fight. In contrast, many occupy activists have admittedly done a great service in showing solidarity with the 1,300 workers locked out at American Crystal Sugar.
Part of what first attracted me to the party was that I felt that comrades were down to earth and didn’t overemphasize every little uptick as the “beginning of the mass movement resistance…”, something that everyone else seems to do constantly. I still think the militant is the only newspaper I’ve encountered that doesn’t blatantly exaggerate the numbers in attendance at demonstrations. In fact all that comrades point out is that the recent resistance in the United States to deepening attacks by the bosses has led to a new openness among workers to discuss politics and the world both on the job and in life. I’ve noticed a change just in the short time I’ve been an active person.
I also think its to the party’s credit that it didn’t go wild over the occupy movement, which in my mind fought with no one about nothing, and got a lot of serious people to waste a lot of their serious time. Regardless, occupy has already virtually petered out, and its my guess that most of its participants will cast a ballot for Obama come November. That is also true of many vanguard workers today, but at least they vote quite differently with their feet in important struggles that have outcomes.
Occupy also left us all this arbitrary confused language about the 1% and 99%. Every cop, along with every manager and supervisor I’ve ever had, are part of the 99%. Does that mean they’re on my side as against the “1%” which includes highly paid athletes and movie stars who don’t exploit anybody? I’d rather hang out with Shaquille O’ Neill than Officer O’ Neill no matter what their bank accounts look like.
My other point was that if anyone else, y’all included, is connected to reality then where are you? No one else is going to these fights that are in my mind the most important things taking place in the United States today (by no one I mean no organization, plenty of wonderful and well meaning individuals certainly are taking notice). As a young political person, I want to join in as much as I possibly can, and learn from as many rich lessons as I can find. I found spending my time at occupy was an obstacle to doing that, and it turned people away from the outside world rather than open them up to it. I don’t wanna act like a caricature of a radical and pretend I’m a part of a mass movement that doesn’t exist. I want to meet fighting workers and link them up with each other, which like it or not the party is accomplishing and working pretty damn hard to do it.
Yes the party is small today, roughly as small as during previous periods of attrition in the early 30′s and mid 50′s. If anything then, what should be noted is how much it can accomplish given its size. Groups like the ISO which are much bigger in numbers don’t show up at any fights. The most recent sub drive of the militant drew in twice as many readers as the one you cite from 1966, when the party was much larger.
But of course you all have no idea how we spend our time, you just make vague speculations that you pull out of thin air, speculations that I know to be false. The gossip is tired and baseless and I hate that this group is the first thing to appear when people wanna learn about the party on the internet. Thankfully serious people don’t believe what they read on the internet.
Comment by Anonymous — August 15, 2012 @ 5:00 pm
You were there, so I’m sure you are correct. If my memory of party history serves me well, I would say there were about 250 members in 1966. Am I in the right ball-park?
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No, it was closer to 400. You have to remember that Detroit, Los Angeles, NY, Chicago, Boston, Cleveland, Philadelphia, and San Francisco/Oakland all had quite a few veterans from the 30s and 40s. Plus, there was another 200 or so YSA’ers who had not joined yet, including me. The SWP declined in size because it forced people out, including me. Anybody who couldn’t “make the turn” was considered dead weight. I went on to other things, including technical brigades to Nicaragua and southern Africa. This, by the way, is the speech that Jack Barnes should have given in 1974:
http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/american_left/barnes.htm
Comment by louisproyect — August 15, 2012 @ 5:01 pm
No one else is going to these fights…
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Do you bring your own popcorn or do you buy them at the concession stands?
Comment by louisproyect — August 15, 2012 @ 5:42 pm
For the benefit of those of you who trash the role of the Occupy Movement during the Longview Longshore struggle:
“This is a victory for Occupy in their involvement in forcing negotiations. Make no mistake – the solidarity and organization between the Occupy Movement and the Longshoremen won this contract,” said Jack Mulcahy, ILWU officer with Local 8. “The mobilization of the Occupy Movement across the country, particularly in Oakland, Portland, Seattle, and Longview were a critical element in bringing EGT to the bargaining table and forcing a settlement with ILWU local 21.” Similar statements, praising the role of Occupy have been made by other union officers including the leadership of ILWU Local 21 and the Cowitz-Wahkiakum Central Labor Council, Longview, WA.
The success of Occupy in the San Francisco Bay Area and Portland, OR in shutting down the ports of Oakland and Portland, with the support of Longshoreman was a significant achievement. It was the Occupy Movement that attempted to organize a fighback against economic and social injustice, not the leadership of the unions. For this alone, and speaking for myself, Occupy earned my respect.
Comment by Ken Morgan — August 16, 2012 @ 12:48 am
In the SMC office, around 1971, (church basement in Central Square, Cambridge MA), Stu Singer spoke to me about John Coltrane, a conversation which changed and improved my life. For “Blue Train” alone, I am forever grateful.
Joe Auciello
Comment by Joe Auciello — August 16, 2012 @ 5:22 am