
Mark Mazower
Considering the crisis of print media, the fact that I shelled out $18 for a year’s subscription to Bookforum is a recommendation that speaks for itself. Like Harper’s, the only other print publication that I subscribe to (going on for 30 years now), Bookforum is fairly restrictive in what it makes available online.
I discovered Bookforum after it absorbed Alfredo Lopez’s Political Theory Daily Review, an aggregation of links to scholarly and popular articles that was head and shoulders over the late Denis Dutton’s irritating Arts and Letters Daily. Lopez’s links became as much a part of my daily diet as a cup of coffee in the morning.
With the same general left-of-center orientation as Harpers, Bookforum is co-edited by Chris Lehmann, Michael Miller, and Albert Mobilio. I don’t know anything about the latter two, but Lehmann is one of my faves. Back in April 2009, he wrote an article titled “Rich People Things” for Awl that described his experience working at New York Magazine, an utterly brainless magazine distinguished by its articles on people like Donald Trump and its recommendations on where to buy chocolate in New York, etc. I could be wrong, but I think well over half the doctor and dentist’s waiting rooms have back issues of New York Magazine to keep patients mollified.
Lehmann’s article begins:
My ill-starred tenure at New York magazine was, among other things, a crash course in the staggering unselfawareness of Manhattan class privilege. Sure, there was the magazine’s adoring, casual fascination with the “money culture”-a term deployed in editorial meetings without the faintest whiff of disapproval or critical distance. But more than that, there was the sashaying mood of preppy smugness that permeated nearly every interaction among the magazine’s editorial directorate-as when one majordomo tried to make awkward small talk with me by asking what it was like attending an urban public high school, or when another scion of the power elite would blithely take the credit for other people’s work and comically strategize to be seated prominently at the National Magazine Awards luncheon.
How could you not subscribe to a magazine that has someone like this as an editor?
I finally decided to subscribe to Bookforum after seeing that an article titled “Leon Trotsky and the Arab Spring” that was included in the summer 2011 issue was available only to subscribers. No matter how hard I tried to find a copy online, it was no dice.
That wasn’t the only meaty piece of prose in the issue. It also had Roger D. Hodge’s review of Ross Perlin’s new Verso book “Intern Nation”. Hodge was the editor of Harpers until he ran afoul of John McArthur, its deep-pocketed but capricious publisher. Hodge wrote a brilliant take-down of Barack Obama that I reviewed fairly recently at Swans.
Hodge’s article is one of the few that is online and this should give you an idea of his take on life under Late Capitalism, in sync obviously with the magazine’s editors:
Although it is billed as an educational and career opportunity, the Disney internship offers little more than a menial service job. Most Disney “interns” spend their days as “cast members” performing wonderful tasks like flipping burgers, cleaning toilets and hotel rooms, parking cars, and stocking gift shops. In essence, the program provides a hugely profitable corporation with a transitional population of fresh-faced temps, thus enabling Disney World, America’s largest single-site employer, to keep labor costs as low as possible.
Working my way through the summer issue of Bookforum, that began to remind me more and more of the New York Review of Books in the 1960s when it had some kind of edge (one NY Review had a do-it-yourself diagram of a Molotov cocktail on its cover), I was delighted to see an article by Columbia professor Mark Mazower. Mazower is the author of “Salonica, City of Ghosts: Christians, Muslims and Jews, 1430-1950″, a book that I have read and strongly recommend. He is also the author of the highly regarded “Hitler’s Empire: Nazi Rule in Occupied Europe” and “No Enchanted Palace: The End of Empire and the Ideological Origins of the United Nations”. Since all of these books were written after 2003, we are clearly dealing with a powerful and productive scholar who also aims for a broader readership. The only other intellectual I can think of who has such breadth and depth is Arno Mayer, the Princeton professor emeritus who has begun contributing to Counterpunch.
Despite my deepest respect for Professor Mazower’s scholarly works, I must take exception to his article titled “Propaganda of the Deed: Is Anarchism, not Marxism, the more relevant left tradition?” that appears in the summer Bookforum (unfortunately, only available to subscribers.)
Mazower’s article is based partly on a review of Alex Butterworth’s “The World That Never Was: A True Story of Dreamers, Schemers, Anarchists, and Secret Agents”, a book that I have no plans to read. After reading a few hundred pages of Bakunin back in 2002 when anarchism, Hacky Sack and breaking Starbucks windows were all the rage, I could understand why Marx got so riled up dealing with the extravagant Russian who while not lacking in personal courage was certainly a bit intellectually deficient. Of course, not too many thinkers can compete with Karl Marx even if Butterworth feels compelled to describe him as presiding over a “bullying and overbearing branch of Teutonic socialism.”
While it is not exactly clear whether Mazower is channeling Butterworth or speaking for himself, I had to rub my eyes in disbelief after reading: “…the memory of the Commune gave anarchists a cause to rally around and a model of future action that was local and bottom-up, not dependent on the capture of state institutions, as Marx’s more evolutionary approach seemed to mandate.”
Where in the world does this notion come from about “the capture of state institutions” through an “evolutionary approach”? Now I understand that Eduard Bernstein developed a “revisionist” socialism that rested on a willful misinterpretation of Marx’s writings and that corresponded to this erroneous summary of his views, but this is simply not how Marx saw things. When Marx stated in “The Civil War in France”, his study of the Paris Commune, that “…the working class cannot simply lay hold of the ready-made state machinery, and wield it for its own purposes“, how much clearer could it be that he did not favor “the capture of state institutions”? It is irresponsible to convey this impression to Bookforum’s readers, many of whom have never read Karl Marx except when forced to in an undergraduate course.
In contrast to the bullying and overbearing Karl Marx with his evolutionary approach, there are people like Bakunin, who according to Butterworth (and Mazower we must once again assume) “resisted any engagement with the state on principle”. But how does this square with Bakunin’s 1862 “The People’s Cause: Romanov, Pugachev, or Pestel”? The three figures respectively stood for various social layers: Romanov the aristocracy, Pugachev the peasant firebrand and Pestel the privileged intelligentsia. Guess what? Romanov was best qualified to lead the revolution:
We should most gladly of all follow Romanov, if Romanov could and would transform himself from a Petersburg Emperor into a National Tsar. We should gladly enroll under his standard because the Russian people still recognizes him and because his strength is concentrated, ready to act, and might become an irresistible strength if only he would give it a popular baptism. We would follow him because he alone could carry out and complete a great, peaceful revolution without shedding one drop of Russian or Slav blood.
I know that Karl Marx was a perfectly beastly figure but I doubt you would find such idiocy in any of his writings.
After giving Butterworth much more credit than I am afraid he deserves, Mazower turns his attention to Eric Hobsbawm’s “How to Change the World: tales of Marx and Marxism”. Despite my preference, heavily qualified, for Hobsbawm over Butterworth, I doubt that I will read this book either.
We learn from the review that, according to Hobsbawm, Marxism took a nose dive starting in the early 1980s that it never really recovered from.
We are also told that a shrinking working class is robbing Marxism of its principal claim, namely that the capitalist system provides its own gravediggers. All I can say is that this exactly what I heard from another Columbia professor back in 1968 or so, a guy by the name of Herbert Marcuse. This business about the disappearance or shrinking of the working class has been around for a half-century at least. Maybe it is time to give it a break, especially since vast portions of the planet have been proletarianized during this period on a level that would have made the Karl Marx of the Communist Manifesto look like one of history’s greatest prophets.
In conclusion, Mazower finds Marxism altogether unfashionable even if undeservedly so:
The most commonly encountered critiques of mainstream economics—at least in the United States and Western Europe—are not Marxist but Keynesian. The very fine Marxists commentators who do write in Latin America or southern Europe—for instance, on the current sovereign-debt crisis in Europe—are hardly noticed here.
Well, I have no doubt that Keynesians get more notice in the USA than Marxists but one cannot be sure what point is being made. Marxists have gotten used to being voices in the wilderness ever since Karl Marx was burning the midnight oil in the London library. That’s what happens when you want to destroy the existing system. You’ll never get a proper NY Times op-ed column or a Nobel Prize in economics acting up that way.
In the final paragraph, Mazower gets wild and crazy. I hope that the Starbucks on 114th and Broadway keeps a watchful eye after reading this:
One must wonder if whether it is in fact anarchism and not Marxism that speaks most clearly to our current condition. It is not just that Marx’s actual explanation for the causes of capitalist crisis was always undertheorized and in any case referred to an older kind of economy that lacked the complex and panic-inducing financial mechanisms that are commonplace now. Above all, the attractiveness of Marx’s thought as a model is fatally compromised in the eyes of many natural critics of capitalism today by his commitment to organization and to rigid party discipline. Anarchism’s combination of individual commitment, ethical universalism, and deep suspicion of the state as a political actor mark it out as the ideology for our times. We are all anarchists now.
Well, there’s a lot to chew over here but I will be brief.
On the question of complex financial mechanisms, I can only say that Socialist Register has been examining such questions for decades now, especially in the articles of Leo Panitch and the late Peter Gowan. Their archives are online and I particularly recommend the 2011 edition titled “The Fire this Time” that includes an article by the New School’s Anwar Shaikh titled “The First Great Depression of the 21st Century“. Shaikh, who is not above integrating Keynesian insights when useful, can be accused of many things (well, maybe not that many) but least among them is that he gives complex financial mechanisms short shrift.
On Marx and rigid party discipline. I am afraid that Professor Mazower has him confused with Lenin. That being said, Lenin only expelled one member of the Bolshevik Party in its entire history: Bogdanov.
In any case, Lenin’s party did manage to topple the capitalist system in the USSR even if the end result was a despotic system that made a mockery of the word socialism. While I would not question an anarchist’s “individual commitment” or “ethical universalism”, qualities that I am sure they possess in abundance, we are facing a serious and widespread problem of the inability of an amorphous and leaderless mass movement to deliver a death blow to Greek, Egyptian or any other decaying capitalist system. Under such desperate conditions, there will be a need for a highly disciplined and organized revolutionary movement to challenge the power of the rich. The one thing we have learned from history is that failed revolutions pay a heavy penalty for a failure to go all the way. Whatever problems Marxism has as a movement, it at least provides its adherents with a methodology to analyze the relationship of class forces in a given society so as to help develop an intelligent strategy and tactics. As the crisis of world capitalism deepens, young people—working class or non-working class—will be looking for a sharp sword to use against the enemy class. I am reasonably sure that Karl Marx’s writings will remain relevant for them.
Ironically, the viability of Marxism receives support in the article that immediately follows Mazower’s, the very article that persuaded me to plunk down $18 for a subscription. Written by Graeme Wood, a contributor to the centrist Atlantic Monthly of all places, “Reading Trotsky in Tahir: what the Russian revolutionary can teach us about the Arab Spring” cares little about whether Marxists are “in” or not but instead reminds us of why someone like Trotsky is essential reading for Arab revolutionaries:
The czar and his state, like Mubarak and his, fail utterly to grasp the extent of its rot. In Russia, the mismanagement was most acutely foreign: The Russian military had led bloody misadventures in the Great War and the Russo-Japanese War. “The one thing the Russian generals did with a flourish was drag human meat out of the country,” writes Trotsky. “Beef and pork are handled with infinitely more economy.” In Egypt, the mismanagement had the same demoralizing effect—but turned inward, with a secret-police force that consisted of one in forty adults—and, similarly, brought only misery to the country’s people. Trotsky writes that the czar’s state could have tried to reform, but “on the contrary, withdrew into itself. It spirit of medievalism thickened under the pressure of hostility and fear, until it acquired the character of a disgusting nightmare overhanging the country.”
Mark Mazower says that “we are all anarchists now”. Well, when they start writing like Trotsky, maybe I’ll join up. But not until then.
As an ex-Anarchist who still has some ties to the culture, I think that one of the reasons that anarchism is seen as more “relevant” than Marxism, is that there are so few examples of “anarchy in action” as a working social system, whereas the big representations of Marxist socialism; the U.S.S.R. and China; ended up as such disasters. There is really no point in history where anarchism prevailed that can be analyzed critically (the one exception being during the Spanish Civil War, but the places where anarchist relations existed didn’t last very long).
Comment by Rob — June 28, 2011 @ 9:26 pm
From what I remember, Shaikh and some of the Socialist Register stalwarts were pretty much taken aback by the First Great Depression of the 21st Century. Other lesser lights, such as John Bellamy Foster, not so much so!
I wonder what professor Mazower would say about this quote from Hal Draper’s “The Two Souls of Socialism”:
“…Anarchism is not concerned with the creation of democratic control
from below, but only with the destruction of “authority” over the
individual, including the authority of the most extremely democratic
regulation of society that it is possible to imagine. This has been
made clear by authoritative anarchist expositors time and time again;
for example, by George Woodcock: “even were democracy possible, the
anarchist would not support it…Anarchists do not advocate political
freedom. What they advocate is freedom from politics…” Anarchism is
on principle fiercely anti-democratic, since an ideally democratic
authority is still authority. But since, rejecting democracy, it has no
other way of resolving the inevitable disagreements and differences
among the inhabitants of Theleme [reference to Rabelais], its unlimited
freedom for each uncontrolled individual is indistinguishable from
unlimited despotism by such an individual, both in theory and in
practice. The great problem of our age is the achievement of democratic
control from below over the vast powers of modern social authority.
Anarchism, which is freest of all with verbiage about something from
below, rejects this goal. It is the other side of the coin of
bureaucratic despotism, with all its values turned inside out, not the
cure or the alternative.”
Comment by michael yates — June 28, 2011 @ 10:21 pm
Louis are you familiar with the trajectory of the US Revolutionary Socialist League in the 1980s? They were a 1970s split from the IS and in the late 1980s disbanded into an Anarchist collective, Love and Rage, which some years later disbanded, one of its factions going into Maoism. This all happened a few years after I left the RSL, but some of their cadre still maintain a very thoughtful anarchist website (which I have no connection to whatsoever):
http://www.utopianmag.com/
Comment by ish — June 29, 2011 @ 12:45 am
The Shaikh article referred to is available in full on his website:
http://homepage.newschool.edu/~AShaikh/Shaikh%20-%20First%20Great%20Depression%20of%20the%2021st%20Century.pdf
Btw, what are the “not that many” things that he could be accused of, in your opinion..?
Comment by lainej — June 29, 2011 @ 5:13 am
The problem is the run of the mill anarchist or Marxist is so busy impressing the intellectual left with quotes and the intellectual left verbiage, they are defeating their purpose by not appealing to the masses – the very people they are trying so desperately to defend. If anarchy topples from the top and does not call for political control from below, what you have is chaos and there are certainly enough regimes out there that fill those shoes. If we just intellectualized from a historical point of view and learned from the mistakes and sins of the past, we would not be involved in today’s wars. Anarchy and chaos are as self serving as capitalism and despotism wherein the glory involves an individual, a corporation, the elite, etc., etc., etc. Everyone and everything besides the masses. Subscribing to one magazine that serves the intellectual left alone, is dangerous and reeks of the very exclusivity you are trying to destroy.
Comment by Cathy T. — June 29, 2011 @ 5:26 am
I’d say they’re both the more relevant tradition, and that it is the Hague split that continues to be one of the most significant permanent tragedies of the left (no new insight there.) While I place myself somewhere in the Marxist camp, I can’t imagine being where I am in theoretical terms without having drawn something significant from Kropotkin, Chomsky, Graeber, Rocker, Goldman, Malatesta and Avrich, among others. Draper’s criticisms of Proudhon do a fine job of painting him as the bigot he certainly was, but are only cursory and misleading in terms of his actual work. More importantly, I don’t think they apply to the tradition of social anarchism at all. The successes of the CNT-AIT were indeed very significant, and are worthy of (and have been subject to) a fair amount of critical treatment. Lest we forget, the CNT itself is today part of a larger voice of opposition against austerity programs within the so-called PIIGS. Lest we also forget, in Spain and Greece, it has been nominally socialist governments that have implemented said programs.
Incidentally, I have been selectively working my way through Hobsbawm’s latest book. Like Draper, Hobsbawm tended to be snarky and dismissive regarding anything having to do with the tradition of the Bakunin side of the first IWA (see, for example, The Age of Capital). It is true that he seems to believe in the nonsensical notion of a shrinking working class, and Louis is exactly right to point out how wrong this line of thought actually is. I guess the joke with which I can therefore conclude is that the old dispute has now resolved itself in historical terms: A dictatorship of the (global) proletariate WILL BE a dictatorship of the majority! My bracketing of the term “global” will, of course, be excused on account of capital not really giving a shit.
“Crowned heads, wealth and privilege may well tremble should ever again the black and red unite.” — Otto von Bismarck.
Comment by Robert — June 29, 2011 @ 5:37 am
Joonas, I was just wisecracking…
Comment by louisproyect — June 29, 2011 @ 11:28 am
Lenin’s party did manage to topple the capitalist system in the USSR even if the end result was a despotic system that made a mockery of the word socialism.
That’s doubtful, though I supposes it depends how one defines “capitalism”:
“In 1922, the Soviets formed their first international bank. It was not owned and run by the state as dictated by Communist theory but was together by a syndicate of private bankers. These included not only former Tsarist bankers, but representatives of German, Swedish, and American banks [Griffin, The Creature from Jekyll Island].”
…we are facing a serious and widespread problem of the inability of an amorphous and leaderless mass movement to deliver a death blow to Greek, Egyptian or any other decaying capitalist system.
Whereas these amorphous, leaderless masses have had the greatest success to date combating the current wave of wealth transfer.
Anarchism may not hold the answer;–know one honestly knows if anything does–but merely shuffling around who gets to have power has consistently failed so far… Some of the most heartless, bureaucratically-minded people I’ve met (as a university student) where Kapital-thumping commies–worse, in fact, than most capitalist bosses I’ve served under so far. And the lesson I drew from this experience was it’s not so much the ideology (or religion or whatever) one “holds” but the construction of the institution and one’s position within that institution that really defines social interaction. If there is a path to the millennium; whatever course it takes, it has to come from supplanting old institutions with new ones designed for a new purpose not pretending a concentration camp can work just as well as a daycare center provided correctly thinking people are put in charge of it. And, if human dignity is in fact deemed a worthy value of a decent society, has to give people as little power over other people as can be managed.
I see anarchism as giving the people–i.e., the mob re: the root of the word democracy–the power to make their own mistakes for themselves. Not put the privilege in the hands of a small elite who, by the mere logic of the power structure,–regardless how decent or indecent the elite’s constituents started out–will exploit the rest.
Comment by Peter Ward — June 29, 2011 @ 4:11 pm
I see anarchism as giving the people–i.e., the mob re: the root of the word democracy–the power to make their own mistakes for themselves.
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This has a hollow ring considering 10 years of Black Block arrogance.
Comment by louisproyect — June 29, 2011 @ 4:14 pm
@Michael Yates
” From what I remember, Shaikh and some of the Socialist Register stalwarts were pretty much taken aback by the First Great Depression of the 21st Century. Other lesser lights, such as John Bellamy Foster, not so much so!” i don’t think this is quite accurate. here’s an example paper:
http://homepage.newschool.edu/~AShaikh/personal%20debt.pdf
and here’s his home page that you can judge for yourself.
http://homepage.newschool.edu/~AShaikh/
Comment by Nathan Tankus — June 29, 2011 @ 10:08 pm
For anarchism to stick it would have to, in the course of one revolution, strike a fatal blow to both the state and capitalism at the same time. Even striking a fatal blow to one of these is unlikely, a revolution can only really start the work. Seriously, how can you make the habit of centuries disappear over night?
Comment by SGuy — June 29, 2011 @ 11:09 pm
I’m not sure China’s revolution was a ‘disaster’, as mentioned above. The life expectancy in China in 1950 was 39 (per the UN), poorer than anywhere in the world including sub-Saharan African. On the eve of Deng’s counter revolution it was in the mid-60′s and climbing fast.
Interestingly, life expectancy increases in China have dropped below the global average since Deng’s coup.
I think it is critical to point out the many success of China’s revolution, which can be easily documented quantitatively.
Comment by purple — June 29, 2011 @ 11:58 pm
“Anarchism” is always a good venue for the secret police.
Comment by Jasper Stoodly — June 30, 2011 @ 2:16 am
It’s sad to see Eric – “Labour’s Lost Millions” – Hobsbawm dismissed out of hand here and elsewhere. He was one of the first to analyze the setbacks of the 1980′s in *class terms.*
Your amalgamation of Hobsbawm and Marcuse et al. is uncalled for. The glib sociologists of the 50′s and 60′s argued, as did the the revisionists of the early 20th century, that the class struggle had become irrelevant because workers never had its so good. Hobsbawm, on the contrary, wrote at a time when working class livelihoods were being destroyed despite its occasionally heroic resistance. And all he did was to state the plain fact that the *industrial* working class has ceased, and ceased forever, to be a majority in Britain – and elsewhere. Some “Marxists” thought that the decline of the industrial working class in the heartlands of global capitalism was a trifling matter back then. We all know whom history has proven right.
I have not read his newest tome, so if he does indeed say that we live in a post-class society there, then he’s going off the rails. He certainly doesn’t say anything of the sort in his quintessential “eurocommunist” treatise – “Politics for a rational left.”
Comment by max — June 30, 2011 @ 11:53 am
Marxism est always the primary tradition since it had lead to labour union developement and agression against capitalist oppression. Trotsky just expanded such point to press for constant revolution. All governments are inherently currupt since men lead them and therefore need upheaval to cleanse them.
(anglais since your blog is in such language)
Marxist.. Internationale socialistes
Vive parti communiste francais
Comment by jean pierre — June 30, 2011 @ 2:15 pm
Lenin meets Kropotkin after the latter returned to Russia in 1919.
From Reminiscences of Lenin 1917-24, V. D. Bonc-Brujevic:
“How old he has become,” Vladimir Ilyich said to me. “Now he is living in a country that is bursting with revolution, where everything has been completely turned upside down, and he cannot think of anything else but to talk about the cooperative movement. There you have the poverty of ideas of the anarchists and all other petty bourgeois reformers and theoreticians, who at a moment of massive creative activities, at the time of a revolution, are never able to come up with a good plan or with good practical advice. For if we did what he says for but a minute, then tomorrow we would have the autocracy back in power and we would all, including himself, be chatting around a streetlamp, and he only because he calls himself an anarchist. And how well he wrote, what wonderful books, how refreshing and how precisely did he formulate and did he think, and now that is all in the past and nothing is left… But of course he is very old and we must surround him with care and help him with everything he needs as far as possible, but that needs to be dealt with very delicately and very carefully. He is very useful and precious for us because of his whole terrific past and because of everything he has done. Please do not lose sight of him, take care of him and his family and keep me informed about everything, then we will discuss it together and help him.”
Comment by Rick Tudor — June 30, 2011 @ 3:27 pm
I agree with Louis here, Marxism still provides the best methodology to analyse human progress and development.
My problem isn’t so much with the body of work but with the practical application. I know that in England many of the direct action people have been written off as anarchists doing great damage to the movement. I find this startling, we have people taking to the streets to expose tax dodging multi millionaires and Marxists are criticising them and playing the old anarchist card.
Comment by Steve — June 30, 2011 @ 6:19 pm
Great reply — hard as nails politically with the appropriate comradely tone. My favorite line: hacky sack (no capitalization necessary).
Comment by Binh — June 30, 2011 @ 7:58 pm
You seem to have no problem in analyzing the flaws in anarchist organizations (or non-organizations).
Yet from reading your post, one would think there was some CP out there with a number of intellectuals who were right on their money with their analysis, and that working with it could advance the cause forward to victorious revolution.
The truth is, if there is anything sadder out there than anarchist groups in the US, it is communist parties in the US. All of the CPs in the US claim to be the vanguard which holds the one true line, even if it is their entire “International”, which they formed when leaving the Spartacist League or the like, could fit together in a phone booth. Follow the CP? Which CP? Bob Avakian’s? Jack Barnes’s? The ISO? Thankfully, the anarchist groups don’t have this problem of arguing which one is the one true vanguard group.
Meeting people from various CPs is odd. They are completely indoctrinated in their particular party’s political line. I don’t know how many Trotskyites I’ve informed to their shock that Trotsky was once a Menshevik (which some of the older ones even denying this. Or that he was involved in Kronstadt. Which the older ones also deny. And so forth). I’ve never met anarchists who were so scared that someone in their group might read some “heresy” written by an ex-member of the group. More like a cult! A lot more like a cult!
Then they make the kids interested in their group stand on the corners and sell newspapers. Because that’s what the Bolshevik party or Trotsky or whoever did! So they have to do it to!
Communists and Marxists deify Marx. Way too much. Any communist who talks about “the genius of Marx” is just throwing dirt on the coffin of their movement, as much as the crazy newspaper sellers and other cults do. Much of what Marx said turned out to be wrong, and some of it is outdated. Here is what one can say about Marx. He is the first person to point out certain truths. You are talking about Bakunin. Even Bakunin conceded that some of Marx’s analyses of class structure were brilliant. Of course, they disagreed about other things. Marx is the first one to point out certain truths, just like Galileo Galilei is probably the first human to see the four moons of Jupiter. Some of what he said then is still true today. Some of no longer is. Some of it never was true, he was wrong in some things. I think even the Communist Manifesto is outdated and less relevant than what some radical today might write as a manifesto. Capital is not.
The truth is, if a mass movement forms, the various “vanguard” CPs will just circle around and be parasites on it. Just like the parasite CP cults today flock to events organized by others, and stand in front of them and sell their worthless newspapers.
Marx once wrote that every step of real movement is more important than a dozen programs, and that is a sentence soi disant Marxists should recite to themselves over and over.
Comment by Adelson Velsky Landis — July 1, 2011 @ 5:07 am
Well Adelson, it would help a little instead of just repeating about Marx’s mistakes actually illustrating what you think they were. As for your claims about introducing Trotskyists to shocking truths they sound very bizarre. Who doesn’t know that Trotsky was a menshavik before he joined the Bolsheviks, as for Kronstadt well thats the pickle, here your saying Trots deny his involvement, usually what I hear is Trots aren’t penitant about his involvement. But to be technical he wasn’t personally involved, however he did accept general responsibility and claimed it was justified which I as one the unpenitants agree with.
Comment by SGuy — July 1, 2011 @ 2:21 pm
@19 Adelson Velsky Landis: “Marx once wrote that every step of real movement is more important than a dozen programs, and that is a sentence soi disant Marxists should recite to themselves over and over.”
If you look at Marx’s statement in context, he was criticizing the acceptance by his supporters of a bad program, the Gotha Program, in order to have unity with the followers of Lasalle, arguing that, since the Lasalleans could not agree to a good program, they should have worked for agreement on common action and not on a common program. In other words, program was very important to Marx, and he didn’t want his supporters to adopt a bad one for the sake of a step of real movement.
See: http://marxengels.public-archive.net/en/ME1658en.html
Comment by Aaron Aarons — July 7, 2011 @ 7:30 pm
SGuy,
Marx’s mistakes? There are so many to go into. How about how modern bourgeois economics has a massive logical architecture explaining why commodities are priced what they are (not that I’m saying it is correct), while Marx talks about values, not really about prices, and never really goes into how these values he talks about translate to prices, or what price means, and so forth. And no follower of Marx ever has either. You know, the transformation problem. The little that he did right on price and values and prices has been show to be logically inconsistent, and sometimes just plain wrong. Many, actually most, modern Marxian economists would agree with this, and have said so for decades, or for over a century actually.
I have met multiple Trots who were shocked to learn Trotsky was a Menshevik. I guess the major Trot “International” in your area doesn’t hide this fact from their members.
AVL
Comment by Adelson Velsky Landis — July 10, 2011 @ 6:53 am
I agree that a revolution should be controlled in avoidance of chaos.
I agree with the writings of Frances Fox Piven that we should stand up and protest against the government.
If we stay quiet and do nothing, how will this bring about change?
My dream is an overhaul of the capitalist state and all its oppression. The liberals and progressives are not on the same page in this concern.
What are people like us supposed to do?
Comment by Deborah Jeffries — August 12, 2011 @ 1:31 am