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		<title>By: plato's cave</title>
		<link>http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/ruminations-on-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-29352</link>
		<dc:creator>plato's cave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Binh:  make that CIA, or Rove, instead of OBL, when talking about who has a clear view of the Democrats. See Xymphora 9-10 for comment on the veracity of the latest video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Binh:  make that CIA, or Rove, instead of OBL, when talking about who has a clear view of the Democrats. See Xymphora 9-10 for comment on the veracity of the latest video.</p>
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		<title>By: Binh</title>
		<link>http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/ruminations-on-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-29344</link>
		<dc:creator>Binh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad that OBL with his delusions of grandeur and jihad has a clearer view of the Democratic Party than the so-called leadership of the anti-war (non) movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad that OBL with his delusions of grandeur and jihad has a clearer view of the Democratic Party than the so-called leadership of the anti-war (non) movement.</p>
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		<title>By: e</title>
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		<dc:creator>e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what is the date for the protest, is it Sept 15, 29, or Oct 27? This is pathetic that we can't get our act together on this. Sheesh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what is the date for the protest, is it Sept 15, 29, or Oct 27? This is pathetic that we can&#8217;t get our act together on this. Sheesh!</p>
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		<title>By: Renegade Eye</title>
		<link>http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/ruminations-on-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-29299</link>
		<dc:creator>Renegade Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was under the impression, that the two antiwar groups, were going to unite for a common demonstration?

I really liked your post. 

The days when a coalition was a coalition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was under the impression, that the two antiwar groups, were going to unite for a common demonstration?</p>
<p>I really liked your post. </p>
<p>The days when a coalition was a coalition.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Rymer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur Rymer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't the WWP, via its Troops Out Now Coalition, still pushing a DC demo on September 29 -- as opposed to ANSWER's on Sept. 15, and UFPJ's on Oct. 27? Is there any sane reason for this third, separate event?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the WWP, via its Troops Out Now Coalition, still pushing a DC demo on September 29 &#8212; as opposed to ANSWER&#8217;s on Sept. 15, and UFPJ&#8217;s on Oct. 27? Is there any sane reason for this third, separate event?</p>
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		<title>By: David McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>David McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louis,

You are wrong about the October 27th demo. ANSWER, to its credit, has adopted the October 27th call made by UFPJ and -- wonder of wonders -- is acting as a left wing in the coalition and fighting reasonably intelligently to maintain the fledling unity. It is as if Brian Becker or whoever took a Fred Halstead pill.

From a regional conference call reported on in the coalition's logistic meeting last Saturday, there are now nine cities planning united demos on October 27th, up from 6 reported originally. To me, that speaks to the attraction of the basic idea.

Seattle is one of the selected regional centers. It is apparent that there will be real input from Oregon and Idaho and numerous closer cities in Washington State.

This is a bit of a break for the antiwar movement, so Marxmailers who favor mass actions ought to take note and get themselves to a coalition meeting to pitch in. As you know, I have flailed WWP and PSL at least as hard as you over the last few years, but the change in their approach this time is unmistakeable and I am taking it at face value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louis,</p>
<p>You are wrong about the October 27th demo. ANSWER, to its credit, has adopted the October 27th call made by UFPJ and &#8212; wonder of wonders &#8212; is acting as a left wing in the coalition and fighting reasonably intelligently to maintain the fledling unity. It is as if Brian Becker or whoever took a Fred Halstead pill.</p>
<p>From a regional conference call reported on in the coalition&#8217;s logistic meeting last Saturday, there are now nine cities planning united demos on October 27th, up from 6 reported originally. To me, that speaks to the attraction of the basic idea.</p>
<p>Seattle is one of the selected regional centers. It is apparent that there will be real input from Oregon and Idaho and numerous closer cities in Washington State.</p>
<p>This is a bit of a break for the antiwar movement, so Marxmailers who favor mass actions ought to take note and get themselves to a coalition meeting to pitch in. As you know, I have flailed WWP and PSL at least as hard as you over the last few years, but the change in their approach this time is unmistakeable and I am taking it at face value.</p>
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		<title>By: plato's cave</title>
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		<dc:creator>plato's cave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louis: I wish I could send this to my democratic friends (including code-pinkos), to disabuse them of the idea that anything at all will happen by lobbying Congress.  But they'd be confused by the talk of SWP and CP in the sixties.

I'm currently struggling to understand the concept of "hegemony".  If it means anything in a socialist project, it seems to imply speaking and acting in a way that communicates with disparate groups within a dispersed and fractured working class -- which further includes supporting specific causes in the legislative arena.

Your recent sympathetic treatment of Sicko as affective propaganda (for raising issues in a non-sectarian way the general public could understand) seems to contradict the spirit of the present post, which cautions against following the concensus anti-war position of lobbying congress.  Of course the anti-war movement is mainly middle class, and Congress is the middle class way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louis: I wish I could send this to my democratic friends (including code-pinkos), to disabuse them of the idea that anything at all will happen by lobbying Congress.  But they&#8217;d be confused by the talk of SWP and CP in the sixties.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently struggling to understand the concept of &#8220;hegemony&#8221;.  If it means anything in a socialist project, it seems to imply speaking and acting in a way that communicates with disparate groups within a dispersed and fractured working class &#8212; which further includes supporting specific causes in the legislative arena.</p>
<p>Your recent sympathetic treatment of Sicko as affective propaganda (for raising issues in a non-sectarian way the general public could understand) seems to contradict the spirit of the present post, which cautions against following the concensus anti-war position of lobbying congress.  Of course the anti-war movement is mainly middle class, and Congress is the middle class way.</p>
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		<title>By: Maia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy your blog, and found this post really interesting, if really depressing.  We need to get smarter, they've gotten so good at co-opting us.

But I think this line is really unnecessary:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Apparently he much prefers the life-style of a corporate lobbyist and has the girth to show for it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Seriously? That's one out of date insult.  Now working-class people are much more likely to be fat than the capitalist class (or their lackeys).  Cracks about people's weight play right into discourse on obesity, which is mainly aimed at demonising poor people for their fat, and selling stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy your blog, and found this post really interesting, if really depressing.  We need to get smarter, they&#8217;ve gotten so good at co-opting us.</p>
<p>But I think this line is really unnecessary:</p>
<blockquote><p>Apparently he much prefers the life-style of a corporate lobbyist and has the girth to show for it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Seriously? That&#8217;s one out of date insult.  Now working-class people are much more likely to be fat than the capitalist class (or their lackeys).  Cracks about people&#8217;s weight play right into discourse on obesity, which is mainly aimed at demonising poor people for their fat, and selling stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not if UPFJ's march will be larger. Here in Texas, Sept 15 is getting a buzz from the anti-war movement. Our peace and justice group will be having a protest on that day and I am getting folks that would have nothing to do with ANSWER asking me about the protest this upcoming Saturday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not if UPFJ&#8217;s march will be larger. Here in Texas, Sept 15 is getting a buzz from the anti-war movement. Our peace and justice group will be having a protest on that day and I am getting folks that would have nothing to do with ANSWER asking me about the protest this upcoming Saturday.</p>
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