Comments on: Robert Brenner and primitive accumulation http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/ Wed, 14 May 2008 03:58:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Binh http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/#comment-16847 Binh Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:17:22 +0000 http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/#comment-16847 Poulod, what does it matter if that's Solidarity's official position if they aren't a disciplined (gasp: Leninist) organization that has a "party line"? This is the problem with having catch-all-everyone-who-is-for-socialism-in-one-big-group, it doesn't matter if or what "the line" on something is. Keep up on this topic Mr. Proyect, interesting stuff. Poulod, what does it matter if that’s Solidarity’s official position if they aren’t a disciplined (gasp: Leninist) organization that has a “party line”? This is the problem with having catch-all-everyone-who-is-for-socialism-in-one-big-group, it doesn’t matter if or what “the line” on something is.

Keep up on this topic Mr. Proyect, interesting stuff.

]]> By: Poulod http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/#comment-16614 Poulod Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:24:10 +0000 http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/#comment-16614 Wow--not his finest moment. Was that Solidarity's official position? Wow–not his finest moment. Was that Solidarity’s official position?

]]> By: louisproyect http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/#comment-16601 louisproyect Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:17:10 +0000 http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/#comment-16601 Elections & the Democrats — Joel Jordan & Robert Brenner Our call for a vote for the Democratic Party — while continuing to put the main political emphasis on building the social movements and simultaneously exposing the Democrats as politically reactionary and anathema to the social movements — is an application of an aspect of the united front method, sometimes called “critical support.” http://www.solidarity-us.org/node/379 Elections & the Democrats
— Joel Jordan & Robert Brenner

Our call for a vote for the Democratic Party — while continuing to put the main political emphasis on building the social movements and simultaneously exposing the Democrats as politically reactionary and anathema to the social movements — is an application of an aspect of the united front method, sometimes called “critical support.”

http://www.solidarity-us.org/node/379

]]> By: Poulod http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/#comment-16595 Poulod Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:01:10 +0000 http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/#comment-16595 When did Brenner call for a Kerry vote? Last I checked, he's a member of Solidarity. When did Brenner call for a Kerry vote? Last I checked, he’s a member of Solidarity.

]]> By: Jim Farmelant http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/#comment-16306 Jim Farmelant Mon, 04 Jun 2007 02:09:27 +0000 http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/#comment-16306 Some years ago, I outlined Alan Carling's attempt to reconcile the opposing positions of Brenner and Dobb on the transition from feudalism to capitalism through the use of a selectionist interpretation of historical materialism. See: http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/1999w41/msg00017.htm Some years ago, I outlined Alan Carling’s attempt to reconcile the opposing positions of Brenner and Dobb on the transition from feudalism to capitalism through the use of a selectionist interpretation of historical materialism. See:

http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/1999w41/msg00017.htm

]]> By: Simon Ward http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/#comment-15610 Simon Ward Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:06:44 +0000 http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/robert-brenner-and-primitive-accumulation/#comment-15610 As I see it, agricultural improvements (enclosures, farming machinery), and colonial activities, were both necessary developments enabling the introduction of capitalist production; the first produces the labour required to interact with the capital provided by the second. Additionally, the freed up labour provides the necessary markets for industrial production. Colonialism can be seen to have created surplus value from unorganised labour - manufactured trade goods - value that couldn't be created by the individuals producing the goods. Further, colonialism 'plundered' raw materials that went to feed industrial production in the home market. Both - the creation of surplus value through trade and the plundering of raw materials - contributed towards the accumulation required to establish industrial production in the home market. Simple, but a contribution. SImon Ward As I see it, agricultural improvements (enclosures, farming machinery), and colonial activities, were both necessary developments enabling the introduction of capitalist production; the first produces the labour required to interact with the capital provided by the second. Additionally, the freed up labour provides the necessary markets for industrial production.

Colonialism can be seen to have created surplus value from unorganised labour - manufactured trade goods - value that couldn’t be created by the individuals producing the goods. Further, colonialism ‘plundered’ raw materials that went to feed industrial production in the home market. Both - the creation of surplus value through trade and the plundering of raw materials - contributed towards the accumulation required to establish industrial production in the home market.

Simple, but a contribution.

SImon Ward

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