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		<title>By: m.c.</title>
		<link>http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2006/10/24/stan-goff-on-fascism/#comment-6046</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although it predates Marxism the following is my favorite quote(and very anti-neoconservatism) by Thomas Jefferson and something more likely to come from the pen of Thomas Paine. He wrote it in a letter in 1824, 2 years before he died. On another note, there is a chain of thought that Paine wrote the rough draft of the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson gets most credit for it because he was better known, and Benjamin Franklin had the final edit.

"Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties:(1)Those that fear and distrust people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes.(2)Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depository of the public interests. In every country these two parties exist; and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although it predates Marxism the following is my favorite quote(and very anti-neoconservatism) by Thomas Jefferson and something more likely to come from the pen of Thomas Paine. He wrote it in a letter in 1824, 2 years before he died. On another note, there is a chain of thought that Paine wrote the rough draft of the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson gets most credit for it because he was better known, and Benjamin Franklin had the final edit.</p>
<p>&#8220;Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties:(1)Those that fear and distrust people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes.(2)Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depository of the public interests. In every country these two parties exist; and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: m.c.</title>
		<link>http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2006/10/24/stan-goff-on-fascism/#comment-4565</link>
		<dc:creator>m.c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milan Kundera wrote an interesting essay in the Jan. 8 New Yorker in part about Kitsch vs. Vulgarity. Taking his idea and running with it I believe kitsch is a language of fascism. It disassociates thought from feeling.  More to the point its the language of the docile middle class who as Martin Luther King jr. once said is more concerned about order(global disorder!) than justice, as opposed to the occassional crude albeit democratic language(vulgarity) of the working class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milan Kundera wrote an interesting essay in the Jan. 8 New Yorker in part about Kitsch vs. Vulgarity. Taking his idea and running with it I believe kitsch is a language of fascism. It disassociates thought from feeling.  More to the point its the language of the docile middle class who as Martin Luther King jr. once said is more concerned about order(global disorder!) than justice, as opposed to the occassional crude albeit democratic language(vulgarity) of the working class.</p>
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		<title>By: m.c.</title>
		<link>http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2006/10/24/stan-goff-on-fascism/#comment-3973</link>
		<dc:creator>m.c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marx may have advocated Free Trade as a means to facilitate the proletariat but as Ralph Nader and Lori Wallach of Public Citizen have ironically said: "Free Trade isn't really Free Trade."

In an editorial in today's LA Times, The U.S. Dept. of Transportation is using an absurd set of rules to deny Richard Branson's Virgin airline from flying domestic flights in the U.S. although two-thirds of the board of directors are U.S. citizens as are the CEO and the chairman. I've been told while travelling in England that Virgin Air &#38; Rail(in the U.K.) are profit neutral. That is, most if not all profits are put back into the operational budget of the company. This is Branson's little way of resisting Margaret Thatcher's privitization policies of state owned enterprises. U.S domestic carriers don't want low cost outside competition. If an airline owned and operated by a Morman(JetBlue) can fly in the U.S., why not Virgin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marx may have advocated Free Trade as a means to facilitate the proletariat but as Ralph Nader and Lori Wallach of Public Citizen have ironically said: &#8220;Free Trade isn&#8217;t really Free Trade.&#8221;</p>
<p>In an editorial in today&#8217;s LA Times, The U.S. Dept. of Transportation is using an absurd set of rules to deny Richard Branson&#8217;s Virgin airline from flying domestic flights in the U.S. although two-thirds of the board of directors are U.S. citizens as are the CEO and the chairman. I&#8217;ve been told while travelling in England that Virgin Air &amp; Rail(in the U.K.) are profit neutral. That is, most if not all profits are put back into the operational budget of the company. This is Branson&#8217;s little way of resisting Margaret Thatcher&#8217;s privitization policies of state owned enterprises. U.S domestic carriers don&#8217;t want low cost outside competition. If an airline owned and operated by a Morman(JetBlue) can fly in the U.S., why not Virgin?</p>
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		<title>By: m.c.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 04:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been on my chest for a long time. IMO, the biggest disappointment on the 11/93 NAFTA vote besides Nancy Pelosi was former Rep. Pat Schroeder(D-Denver). Smart, articulate,longtime liberal/leftist feminist icon/harvard law school grad on the single biggest vote of her career cast on the wrong side in a city with strong labor union activism that would not have hurt her politically in the least. Stan Goff talks a lot about the lack of feminist leadership on the political left. Well, I agree but every time you jump when Rahm Emmanuel(the Josh Lyman character from West Wing for all the novices out there)calls you on the phone and you jump, what's the purpose of all that harvard education?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been on my chest for a long time. IMO, the biggest disappointment on the 11/93 NAFTA vote besides Nancy Pelosi was former Rep. Pat Schroeder(D-Denver). Smart, articulate,longtime liberal/leftist feminist icon/harvard law school grad on the single biggest vote of her career cast on the wrong side in a city with strong labor union activism that would not have hurt her politically in the least. Stan Goff talks a lot about the lack of feminist leadership on the political left. Well, I agree but every time you jump when Rahm Emmanuel(the Josh Lyman character from West Wing for all the novices out there)calls you on the phone and you jump, what&#8217;s the purpose of all that harvard education?</p>
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		<title>By: m.c.</title>
		<link>http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2006/10/24/stan-goff-on-fascism/#comment-3790</link>
		<dc:creator>m.c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norman Mailer gave an interview within the last year or so(it may have been on Cspan or Amy Goodman's Democracy Now, I can't recall exactly) but he said the following: "The Corporations are Mom &#38; Dad; the republican party is the older brother &#38; the democratic party is the younger brother with its nose pressed up against the glass."

Some humor but the more I think about it the more it makes sense...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norman Mailer gave an interview within the last year or so(it may have been on Cspan or Amy Goodman&#8217;s Democracy Now, I can&#8217;t recall exactly) but he said the following: &#8220;The Corporations are Mom &amp; Dad; the republican party is the older brother &amp; the democratic party is the younger brother with its nose pressed up against the glass.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some humor but the more I think about it the more it makes sense&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: midhun</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an Indian and I have some different experiences on fascism.
in India one of the major political powers RSS works as a hindu fundamental party, and they imitates the training methodes of adolf hitler for the training of their cadres.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an Indian and I have some different experiences on fascism.<br />
in India one of the major political powers RSS works as a hindu fundamental party, and they imitates the training methodes of adolf hitler for the training of their cadres.</p>
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		<title>By: m.c.</title>
		<link>http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2006/10/24/stan-goff-on-fascism/#comment-3448</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Washington Post;12/26/1993]
The NAFTA-Math
Clinton got his trade deal, but how many millions did it cost the nation?

The orgy of deal making that proceded the House of Representatives vote on NAFTA illustrates just how little the mercenary culture of Washington has changed since the arrival of a democratic administration.
Estimates of the total cost of the deals around NAFTA vary widely. Gary Hufbauer, a trade expert who has written favorably about NAFTA for the Institute of International Economics, told the AP that the last-minute deals cost in the "tens of millions of dollars."  Public Citizen, the consumer organization founded by Ralph Nader, estimates that the deal cost at least $4.4 billion. The Nation magazine which has been critical of NAFTA and "Republicrat" Clinton, says the total cost of the eleventh hour wheeling-and-dealing might ultimately amount to $50 billion.
Hyberbole aside, the quantifiable cost to the taxpayer of the NAFTA deals will be at least $300 million. American consumers will also pay higher prices on a wide variety of goods because of special interest tariff agreements reached during the NAFTA bazaar. Rep. Dick Zimmer(R-N.J.), who voted for NAFTA, is disgusted about the "presidential giveaways," and he plans to introduce legislation in January to repeal the various NAFTA deals, arguing that "such sordid behavior debases the legislative process."
But good luck trying to figure out what deals were made. Many of the particulars of what transpired have disappeared like steam into the air. Normally loquacious members of Congress are tongue-tied or unavailable to comment about their NAFTA votes, while White House officials dismiss the subject as sour grapes. But many of the details of numerous deals have been documented and confirmed. They illustrate the financial forces that shaped Congress's voting and may have tipped the balance in favor of aggreement.

...After the NAFTA vote, Bill Clinton was compared in these pages and elsewhere to LBJ, for his aggressive, unabashed use of political power in dealing with Congress. The comparison implies that pork-barrel politics, while unfortunate and unseemly, is necessary to achieve success, and always has been.
Perhaps. But LBJ, even in his most legendary arm-twisting mode, never led a domestic lobbying campaign as lopsided as Clinton's NAFTA effort. Forget the testimonials elicted from Nobel laureate economists, the former secretaries of state, the former presidents, Lee Iacocca and Bill Gates. Consider the Clinton persuasion tactics in the larger context of the NAFTA lobbying effort.
Ross Perot, labor unions and other NAFTA opponets spent less than $10 million, according to the Wall Street Journal. Mexican government and business interests, by contrast, retained scores of lobbying, public relations and law firms in Washington at the cost of $30 million. And the leading pro-NAFTA lobbying group, USA*NAFTA, and individual U.S. corporations with factories in Mexico spent another $10 million to promote the pact. Add to these two figures the $300 million in government funds that the Clinton administration committed for the sake of passing NAFTA, and it seems likely that NAFTA proponents outspent their opponents by a margin of more than 30-1....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Washington Post;12/26/1993]<br />
The NAFTA-Math<br />
Clinton got his trade deal, but how many millions did it cost the nation?</p>
<p>The orgy of deal making that proceded the House of Representatives vote on NAFTA illustrates just how little the mercenary culture of Washington has changed since the arrival of a democratic administration.<br />
Estimates of the total cost of the deals around NAFTA vary widely. Gary Hufbauer, a trade expert who has written favorably about NAFTA for the Institute of International Economics, told the AP that the last-minute deals cost in the &#8220;tens of millions of dollars.&#8221;  Public Citizen, the consumer organization founded by Ralph Nader, estimates that the deal cost at least $4.4 billion. The Nation magazine which has been critical of NAFTA and &#8220;Republicrat&#8221; Clinton, says the total cost of the eleventh hour wheeling-and-dealing might ultimately amount to $50 billion.<br />
Hyberbole aside, the quantifiable cost to the taxpayer of the NAFTA deals will be at least $300 million. American consumers will also pay higher prices on a wide variety of goods because of special interest tariff agreements reached during the NAFTA bazaar. Rep. Dick Zimmer(R-N.J.), who voted for NAFTA, is disgusted about the &#8220;presidential giveaways,&#8221; and he plans to introduce legislation in January to repeal the various NAFTA deals, arguing that &#8220;such sordid behavior debases the legislative process.&#8221;<br />
But good luck trying to figure out what deals were made. Many of the particulars of what transpired have disappeared like steam into the air. Normally loquacious members of Congress are tongue-tied or unavailable to comment about their NAFTA votes, while White House officials dismiss the subject as sour grapes. But many of the details of numerous deals have been documented and confirmed. They illustrate the financial forces that shaped Congress&#8217;s voting and may have tipped the balance in favor of aggreement.</p>
<p>&#8230;After the NAFTA vote, Bill Clinton was compared in these pages and elsewhere to LBJ, for his aggressive, unabashed use of political power in dealing with Congress. The comparison implies that pork-barrel politics, while unfortunate and unseemly, is necessary to achieve success, and always has been.<br />
Perhaps. But LBJ, even in his most legendary arm-twisting mode, never led a domestic lobbying campaign as lopsided as Clinton&#8217;s NAFTA effort. Forget the testimonials elicted from Nobel laureate economists, the former secretaries of state, the former presidents, Lee Iacocca and Bill Gates. Consider the Clinton persuasion tactics in the larger context of the NAFTA lobbying effort.<br />
Ross Perot, labor unions and other NAFTA opponets spent less than $10 million, according to the Wall Street Journal. Mexican government and business interests, by contrast, retained scores of lobbying, public relations and law firms in Washington at the cost of $30 million. And the leading pro-NAFTA lobbying group, USA*NAFTA, and individual U.S. corporations with factories in Mexico spent another $10 million to promote the pact. Add to these two figures the $300 million in government funds that the Clinton administration committed for the sake of passing NAFTA, and it seems likely that NAFTA proponents outspent their opponents by a margin of more than 30-1&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: m.c.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 19:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fyi: Charles Lewis, founder &#38; executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit research organization wrote a good analysis of the 1993 NAFTA vote. Margaret Ebrahim of the center provided research assistance. I have included the highlights of the Op-Ed below.[note: the subject of how NAFTA policies in the subsequent 13 years have hurt Mexican small farmers and business people, increasing the economic pressure of northern migration accross the border is another issue not dealt with here.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fyi: Charles Lewis, founder &amp; executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit research organization wrote a good analysis of the 1993 NAFTA vote. Margaret Ebrahim of the center provided research assistance. I have included the highlights of the Op-Ed below.[note: the subject of how NAFTA policies in the subsequent 13 years have hurt Mexican small farmers and business people, increasing the economic pressure of northern migration accross the border is another issue not dealt with here.]</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Goff rejects Marxism: a reply &#171; Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Goff rejects Marxism: a reply &#171; Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 19:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As I have stated in an earlier reply to an article by Stan on truthdig.com, he has a tendency to exaggerate the backwardness of working class people. Using the scare-mongering reports of the Southern Poverty Law Center as documentation (they rely on these reports to pressure liberals into writing checks), he tried to make the case that Timothy McVeigh was somehow typical of the American military. From there, it is only a small step to conclude that the working class is &#8220;so woven into the military-industrial-security complex as to be almost indistinguishable from it.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As I have stated in an earlier reply to an article by Stan on truthdig.com, he has a tendency to exaggerate the backwardness of working class people. Using the scare-mongering reports of the Southern Poverty Law Center as documentation (they rely on these reports to pressure liberals into writing checks), he tried to make the case that Timothy McVeigh was somehow typical of the American military. From there, it is only a small step to conclude that the working class is &#8220;so woven into the military-industrial-security complex as to be almost indistinguishable from it.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: m.c.</title>
		<link>http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2006/10/24/stan-goff-on-fascism/#comment-3001</link>
		<dc:creator>m.c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick sidebar:  I looked up the house vote on NAFTA(Nov. 1993)
The current Dem leadership, Nancy Pelosi &#38; Steney Hoyer voted for it, as well as Lee Hamilton, Jim Baker's new sidekick. Pelosi was officially undecided until the last minute, ostensibly not to anger organized labor in the San Francisco area. John Murtha did vote against it, a slight positive sign. Among Dems the vote in the house was 156-102 against with Clinton pulling for it in the WH. Over in the senate Joe Lieberman voted yes with a minority of Dem senators. Not much change in the capitalist ruling classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick sidebar:  I looked up the house vote on NAFTA(Nov. 1993)<br />
The current Dem leadership, Nancy Pelosi &amp; Steney Hoyer voted for it, as well as Lee Hamilton, Jim Baker&#8217;s new sidekick. Pelosi was officially undecided until the last minute, ostensibly not to anger organized labor in the San Francisco area. John Murtha did vote against it, a slight positive sign. Among Dems the vote in the house was 156-102 against with Clinton pulling for it in the WH. Over in the senate Joe Lieberman voted yes with a minority of Dem senators. Not much change in the capitalist ruling classes.</p>
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